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Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

dijit wrote: post #119
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #96

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> I got elective surgery without insurance which included full anethesia in a private clinic and they were very sorry because the total would be 600 euros. 600 Euros for elective surgery with full anesthesia is insanely cheap. Even by EU standards. There must be some subsidies involved from the public health sector for that surgery or something to knock that price down. In Austria a surgery is thousands. Doctors at a…

Austria might be an outlier. In the UK, Sweden and Estonia (the only places I have data for) it would be within this ballpark, never more than €1k (in their respective currencies).

Maybe, but because of outliers you can't then claim EU elective surgery is cheap when it obviously doesn't apply across the entire block. I'm sure it's cheap in some countries yes.

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Post by crollywood »

adamlarsson78 wrote: post #109
madsbuch wrote: post #84

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As in most other European countries social security, health and retirement is provided on a subsistence level. I think this is what differs from EU to the US. EU is great for subsistence seekers while the US is much better for aspirational people. The issue is just that you need both to have a good country. An aspirational person also need to be able to shop, eat, etc. And subsistence people also want access to the n…

> EU is great for subsistence seekers The fraction of people in EU countries who just want to exist on social welfare and have no aspirations is miniscule. That's just propaganda and a narrative spun by the rich to avoid paying taxes as much as possible. Not backed by any data.

If I'm not mistaken, your statement is also not backed by any data and is a propaganda in itself

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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DoreenMichele wrote: post #64
devjab wrote: post #44

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To many Danes (everyone I’ve ever discussed it with) Americans are simply “ridiculous” in the way you keep electing people who hurt you. It’s like you’re in a continuous abusive relationship with your own democracy. My wife and I just had twins, and while it went fine they needed CPAP to help their lungs develop fully because they were born with a c-section. Which put them in the children’s intensive care unit for ar…

I'm American and I don't disagree that America has serious problems, but you should be leery of trying to compare your country with another country, especially if you haven't lived there and have only read about it. I was a military wife for about two decades and had two children during that time and it cost next to nothing to spend two or three nights in the hospital to give birth and then all outpatient visits for…

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Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by nxm »

gambiting wrote: post #49
romantomjak wrote: post #5

I'm consistently impressed by French solidarity to just go on a strike until they get their government (or a company in this case) to start treating them fairly. I wish that could work in the UK, but alas, we don't do that here.

The British national motto is literally "well, what are you going to do". I have no idea what it would take for the general population to strike.

What would a general population strike be calling for? Be very specific - aren’t elections a form of a general population strike?

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by dijit »

gambiting wrote: post #102
Raed667 wrote: post #78

Around 2020, I interviewed with them for a full-stack role in Montpellier France. They genuinely seemed perplexed when I laughed at their €38k offer, which translates to ~€2200/month after taxes. Full support to the strikers!

I used to work at Ubisoft until recently and our recruitment was genuinely surprised why we can't find any candidates for senior C++ programmer roles offering the equivalent of about €50-60k/year.

Worked for Ubisoft in Sweden as a senior infrastructure engineer for an always online title.

One of two people to make the entirety of online work- which, if it didnt meant nobody could play.

They offered 29k SEK/mo- which isn't just below average salary for that position, it is below the average salary in the city.

I negotiated for a better pay but it took 6 years to get back to my pre-join salary.

I only took the job because the alternative was King and I didn't think candy crush was ethical.

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Post by [deleted] »

devjab wrote: post #44
reaperman wrote: post #23

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> It WOULD work, but alas, you don't do it. This is also why the USA has all those anti-strike laws. My mom did it reasonably often as a teacher. The state made it illegal for her to ever strike again. Maybe not being willing to go to jail for refusing to work is why she doesn't do it? It's crazy to me that the law is basically "show up to work for whatever we decide to pay you, or go to jail" (via contempt of court,…

To many Danes (everyone I’ve ever discussed it with) Americans are simply “ridiculous” in the way you keep electing people who hurt you. It’s like you’re in a continuous abusive relationship with your own democracy. My wife and I just had twins, and while it went fine they needed CPAP to help their lungs develop fully because they were born with a c-section. Which put them in the children’s intensive care unit for ar…

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Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by walidthedream »

Hamuko wrote: post #74
walidthedream wrote: post #39

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If you get satisfied with a 60k gross salary as an engineer wherever you are in Europe you should maybe question yourself unless you’re full remote in a Bulgarian country side. Cars cost the same everywhere, same goes for flight tickets , electronics, top universities tuition, major food or fashion brands, etc etc.

Cars (especially accounting for total ownership costs), tuition and food definitely do not cost the same everywhere.

Oh yeah true I would welcome the opportunity to move in a country where the Starbucks coffee costs 2 dollars and a Mercedes cost 15k USD.

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

eloisant wrote: post #87
dgellow wrote: post #45

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The average in France is around 42k€ a year. 60k€ is perfectly decent compared to other professions. It’s also good but on the lower end for a non-senior software developer.

That's the thing, in other countries software development is a high paying job. Not a "slightly above average" job.

>in other countries software development is a high paying job

Yeah, but those countries are relatively few. The US is an outlier. In most of western EU SW wages are only slightly above average. Outside of big tech of course, but big-tech employment is far from average.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by dijit »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #121
dijit wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Austria might be an outlier. In the UK, Sweden and Estonia (the only places I have data for) it would be within this ballpark, never more than €1k (in their respective currencies).

Maybe, but because of outliers you can't then claim EU elective surgery is cheap when it obviously doesn't apply across the entire block. I'm sure it's cheap in some countries yes.

It is in 100% of the places I know about.

I think making any broad EU statement even if it applies to many/most is fine.

There will always be some outliers in the data.

There is a similar argument about generalisations on behaviour, ie: statistically average behaviours of people.

You have to be able to talk in broad strokes with the knowledge that it doesn't apply to everyone.

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