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Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by brnt »

wazoox wrote: post #94
saiya-jin wrote: post #80

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Solidarity? You must live far from actual France and have some romantic young rosy view on events far away. Almost everybody who isn't protesting is pissed off at folks protesting, since they block you from doing basic things in life like going to work, shopping groceries, driving anywhere or flying, taking train, going to gas station, going to hospital (I kid you not, you can be unlucky and literally die to negligen…

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Quiet, productive and obedient lackeys have some of the best wages.

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

ponector wrote: post #88
xavxav wrote: post #61

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> health emergencies We have socialized health care, and even private care is like 1% the cost of american healthcare. I got elective surgery without insurance which included full anethesia in a private clinic and they were very sorry because the total would be 600 euros. > retirement Public retirement is ~50% of your average lifetime salary though the age was recently raised from 62 to 64 (in the face of massive pro…

60k per year is around 3200€ per month after taxes. It could be comfortable upper class level life only if you own the place you live and have a small family without special needs. If you rent and have few children - you screwed.

> It could be comfortable upper class level life

I think we might have a different understanding of what "upper class" means. Upper class is the likes of Trump/Bezos/Musk/.

3200 Euros/month will not let you live even remotely near that. It's a decent middle class and that's it.

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Post by shakow »

privacyonsec wrote: post #38
janmo wrote: post #25

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60k EUR before taxes and healthcare + retirement deduction I suppose. So after taxes and mandatory deductions it is 45k USD, which not that much if you are in a city like Paris.

I live a Paris, with 45k net, you live very comfortably and have an active social life.

As long as you don't have kids.

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Post by isametry »

eloisant wrote: post #95
askonomm wrote: post #11

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Is 60k bad? Pretty sure it's the average salary in the entire Europe.

It doesn't really make sense to talk about an "average salary in the entire Europe" because you have really big discrepancies. You have high paying locations like Switzerland, Norway, UK, Ireland, Germany, etc, lowish locations like France, Italy, etc, and really low locations like Poland. Technically you could calculate an overall average but that number would be useless.

Exactly. In the EU alone, gross average income ranges around 5-fold from the lowest to the highest value. (1100€ in Bulgaria, 5400€ in Netherlands)

Including non-EU countries as well makes the difference even more extreme (7000€ in Switzerland vs 450€ in Ukraine).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_b...

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

ilkke wrote: post #75
gambiting wrote: post #40

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€2 at Aldi, I have no idea what the poster is talking about. €60k is a very decent salary.

Perhaps they mean an Apple cord

The cheapest USB-C cable Apple sells is 25 Euros so even 15 Euros is cheap.

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Post by ido »

ponector wrote: post #92
laurentlb wrote: post #34

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When I applied to a Ubisoft studio in 2011, the recruiter sent me an email during the hiring process: > [...] we would like to move forward in the process. As you may know, our salaries in the games industry do not compare well with overall IT industry salaries; however, we can offer one of the most prominent development studios in the world [...] I don't have more information, but they seemed well aware their salari…

Not competitive with other IT sectors. But within gaming industry where everyone is getting peanuts they are not that bad but with huge projects.

I know multiple people who work at Ubisoft Berlin, they are generally known to underpay compared to other game-dev jobs in the city.

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Post by almatabata »

wazoox wrote: post #94
saiya-jin wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Solidarity? You must live far from actual France and have some romantic young rosy view on events far away. Almost everybody who isn't protesting is pissed off at folks protesting, since they block you from doing basic things in life like going to work, shopping groceries, driving anywhere or flying, taking train, going to gas station, going to hospital (I kid you not, you can be unlucky and literally die to negligen…

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> Good old right-wing talking point, uh? Try being hostage of the Hamas, then consider the difference with having to ride a crowded train.

This is a very unhelpful framing because by that logic you cannot complain about anything. By that logic most of your worries are trivial. At some point if every vacation I have to live through the stress of train strikes, is it not legitimate to feel aggrieved? Especially because if it only was overcrowded trains, people would say well at least I can get to my destination. But no they can also just outright cancel the train if they do not have enough personnel. Then you have to find a last minute alternative if you can even find one with so many people doing the same thing.

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Post by dijit »

mattmanser wrote: post #67
gambiting wrote: post #49

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The British national motto is literally "well, what are you going to do". I have no idea what it would take for the general population to strike.

We're going through serious strikes at the moment. Right now, the junior doctors are striking. Not sure what you mean by general population, but we had major riots about 10 years ago where some police stations got attacked.

Its interesting to note though that strikes are despised by the british population.

My mother for example will bang on for hours about how doctors and nurses have it so great and they're being greedy and unreasonable.

Ditto rail drivers. (something I actually agree with in the case of TfL underground drivers).

Theres just a really large cultural difference here, though I think there is at least one red thread to our media.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by dijit »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #96
xavxav wrote: post #61

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> health emergencies We have socialized health care, and even private care is like 1% the cost of american healthcare. I got elective surgery without insurance which included full anethesia in a private clinic and they were very sorry because the total would be 600 euros. > retirement Public retirement is ~50% of your average lifetime salary though the age was recently raised from 62 to 64 (in the face of massive pro…

> I got elective surgery without insurance which included full anethesia in a private clinic and they were very sorry because the total would be 600 euros. 600 Euros for elective surgery with full anesthesia is insanely cheap. Even by EU standards. There must be some subsidies involved from the public health sector for that surgery or something to knock that price down. In Austria a surgery is thousands. Doctors at a…

Austria might be an outlier.

In the UK, Sweden and Estonia (the only places I have data for) it would be within this ballpark, never more than €1k (in their respective currencies).

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Post by lostlogin »

ponector wrote: post #53
reaperman wrote: post #23

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> It WOULD work, but alas, you don't do it. This is also why the USA has all those anti-strike laws. My mom did it reasonably often as a teacher. The state made it illegal for her to ever strike again. Maybe not being willing to go to jail for refusing to work is why she doesn't do it? It's crazy to me that the law is basically "show up to work for whatever we decide to pay you, or go to jail" (via contempt of court,…

Either accept current treatment or quit. It is fascinating how on individual level everyone wants better education for their children but as society people do the opposite. Government and their voters are not interested in paying more or in better educated children. In the end dumb people are easier to manipulate to do "right and only correct" decision on the election day.

> It is fascinating how on individual level everyone wants better education for their children but as society people do the opposite.

Every time a government changes everything is up for grabs too.

Suddenly politicians are experts and can decide on the curriculum. They went to school once so know everything about teaching?

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