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Ask HN: How to survive as a homeless programmer in the winter (AB, Canada)?

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Re: Ask HN: How to survive as a homeless programmer in the winter (AB, Canada)?

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I've known a few folks who have been homeless or had mental health issues, sometimes while working as a dev. Trauma and mental health concerns are good to consider but they're not necessarily showstoppers.

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"Mentioning social engineering to access hospital facilities and considering theft for food are alarming. While food banks do exist in Canada, their mention of theft instead of seeking such legitimate aid is troubling."

No its really not. People need to eat and not freeze. Period.

Re: Ask HN: How to survive as a homeless programmer in the winter (AB, Canada)?

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What kind of red flags?

> They tried to build their product from it and I wasn't able to tolerate that If I heard this while I was interviewing a candidate, I would write a note to myself: "Be prepared for more of this." > I also brought up the fact I had security concerns in regards to their systems when I went in person but that was brushed aside/ignored If I heard this while I was interviewing a candidate, I would wonder whether they lac…

> If I heard this while I was interviewing a candidate, I would write a note to myself: "Be prepared for more of this."

I mean... ok? So don't try to make their FOSS product your own product?

> If I heard this while I was interviewing a candidate, I would wonder whether they lacked awareness of the need to follow established processes.

Ew. I would wonder why the staff wasn't able to tell him there is a process.

> So there's at least one occasion when the person had a break from reality

"years ago" in an unstable situation.

> Not exactly legal or ethical. Obviously, they're facing dire circumstances, which might mitigate their culpability, but would you want to hire someone who uses social engineering to deceive people?

I'm pretty sure "social engineer" here means something along the lines of "yeah I'm visiting my cousin"

> Again, they're facing dire circumstances, which might mitigate their culpability, but they're also being quite open about being willing to steal, which is not exactly a desirable trait for most employers.

Unless they're working for a grocery store or restaurant I don't think their employer will be worried about them stealing food.

Re: Ask HN: How to survive as a homeless programmer in the winter (AB, Canada)?

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Did ChatGPT write this? Yes, OP has troubles, they have spelt them out. Your "concerns" have zero insight, they are an appeal to heartlessness. Who are you writing them for?

Yes I ran my comment through and asked it to take the rough edges off. I have no desire to worsen someone else's experience and my attempt at a comment was too cold. I simply want to warn people to have their guard up whilst helping.

Re: Ask HN: How to survive as a homeless programmer in the winter (AB, Canada)?

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Maybe try to go back to the company interested in your AGPL project? Giving them full rights is way better than being homeless

Don't do this.

It's better than starving to death, freezing to death, or being destitute the rest of your life, but subjectively, and objectively based on the comments, you'll find a way through, those aren't even close to likely outcomes.

I don't know how to say this in a convincing way, but, you only have one chance to either affirm your values or discard them. Sort of a "better to fight standing than die on your knees", except, that perpetuates the strawman that abuse and exploitation is somehow more desirable than working through a rough patch for a year to get out of an intolerable situation.

Sometimes a paycheck can break you day-to-day harder than not having a paycheck.

Re: Ask HN: How to survive as a homeless programmer in the winter (AB, Canada)?

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of red flags?

> They tried to build their product from it and I wasn't able to tolerate that If I heard this while I was interviewing a candidate, I would write a note to myself: "Be prepared for more of this." > I also brought up the fact I had security concerns in regards to their systems when I went in person but that was brushed aside/ignored If I heard this while I was interviewing a candidate, I would wonder whether they lac…

This reflects a viewpoint usually rectified by moral quandaries explored in elementary school, certainly middle school, fiction.

Much less, this gem, argumentation that you'd expect a 12 year old in debate class to be able to skewer if they wanted a B.

>> I'm going to go and try to find/steal some food now

> Again, they're facing dire circumstances, which might mitigate their culpability, but they're also being quite open about being willing to steal, which is not exactly a desirable trait for most employers.

Re: Ask HN: How to survive as a homeless programmer in the winter (AB, Canada)?

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What kind of red flags?

Replied above. Also to add: * Completely new ycombinator account created 3 hours ago, no past history. * Anonymised email service. * Pseudonym. None of that is suspicious on its own necessarily but it is part of a pattern.

Would you want to get Internet famous for being a homeless programmer, and have that shit come up on Google every time your resume is looked at? Give me a break.

Re: Ask HN: How to survive as a homeless programmer in the winter (AB, Canada)?

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post #12

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> They tried to build their product from it and I wasn't able to tolerate that If I heard this while I was interviewing a candidate, I would write a note to myself: "Be prepared for more of this." > I also brought up the fact I had security concerns in regards to their systems when I went in person but that was brushed aside/ignored If I heard this while I was interviewing a candidate, I would wonder whether they lac…

> If I heard this while I was interviewing a candidate, I would write a note to myself: "Be prepared for more of this." I mean... ok? So don't try to make their FOSS product your own product? > If I heard this while I was interviewing a candidate, I would wonder whether they lacked awareness of the need to follow established processes. Ew. I would wonder why the staff wasn't able to tell him there is a process. > So…

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Re: Ask HN: How to survive as a homeless programmer in the winter (AB, Canada)?

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> Extended Unemployment Despite Skills: They claim to possess in-demand technical skills but have been unable to secure employment for six months. This discrepancy is concerning and warrants a deeper understanding of the reasons behind it. It does indeed. Do you have that deeper understanding? Are you familiar with the job market for devs in Alberta? Have you attempted to understand what reasons there may be for that…

The goal of my comments is to encourage vigilance if choosing to help. I have not set out to encourage people not to help. I was also specifically asked to elaborate when I tried to be vague and point to generic red flags.

Re: Ask HN: How to survive as a homeless programmer in the winter (AB, Canada)?

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of red flags?

> They tried to build their product from it and I wasn't able to tolerate that If I heard this while I was interviewing a candidate, I would write a note to myself: "Be prepared for more of this." > I also brought up the fact I had security concerns in regards to their systems when I went in person but that was brushed aside/ignored If I heard this while I was interviewing a candidate, I would wonder whether they lac…

I don't want to downplay anything you've said because I think you're pretty much on the mark.

>> I was able to social engineer myself into being a 'visitor' at a hospital for the past week

> Not exactly legal or ethical. Obviously, they're facing dire circumstances, which might mitigate their culpability, but would you want to hire someone who uses social engineering to deceive people?

This is an unfortunate reality in Canada, especially in places where it gets cold enough to freeze to death during the winter (which most of Alberta would qualify for). Homeless shelters are full, the wait lists for social support, mental health support, and addiction support are long*, and hospitals are warm, publicly owned, and honestly so long as you're not making a nuisance of yourself they're probably not the worst place to hang out. There's usually public cafeterias and lots of seating throughout. Sleeping there would probably be a problem.

> bad experience with treatment and are not currently in treatment

This is another one of the oddities of the Canadian healthcare system. There's a few different categories of mental health support:

- Social services is free but often there isn't a whole lot they can help with. Employment Insurance (EI) has a pretty heavy paperwork burden and also requires you to have been employed recently and only lasts for a limited amount of time. Long-term disability has a lot of strings attached. If you do manage to find gainful income they take away your financial support 1:1; a woman I know went blind due to cancer when she was a teenager and was living in an apartment provided by social housing. She started making beaded jewelry and selling it at the farmer's market. Over a period of a year she managed to save up $500 to buy herself an iPad, which apparently has excellent accessibility features for blind users. When her social worker came by and saw it she threatened to deduct $500 off of the next disability cheque.

- There are psychiatrists available, for free, through the public healthcare system. They're by referral only and a referral must come from a GP. 20% of Canadians do not currently have a family doctor (~6M people) so their only access to psychiatric help is to convince a doctor at a walk-in clinic to make a referral. In most cases it's going to be months before you hear back. There are occasionally walk-in clinics that do have on-site psychiatrists but it's exceptionally rare.

- Psychologists and therapists are not covered by the public health system. Some do offer reduced rates for low-income patients but you're generally looking at somewhere in the $80-120/hr range. Like OP mentioned about astrology, there isn't a whole lot of quality control around this... you basically have to go interview them (and likely pay for the privilege) and make your own decision on whether or not you think they'll be someone you want to give more money to.

As an additional wrinkle, while healthcare is nominally free, prescription medication is not (although there was a big announcement around this yesterday, so that may be changing). Even if OP did manage to get an appointment with a psychiatrist and get an assessment and a prescription... how the heck are they going to pay for it? There are generally programs in place to provide medication discounts for low-income people but... again, paperwork burden and long turn-around times.

The brutal question that comes up on a pretty regular basis is: what do we do about people like OP? While we, in theory, have more humanity than just letting them freeze to death in the streets, we also do a piss-poor job at helping them get out of the situation they're in.

* Basically the only way to get seen by someone reasonably quickly is to tell them you're suicidal, but that'll probably result in an involuntary hold for a while.

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