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Hey Paydirt: Your Site Works Just Fine In IE

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Re: Hey Paydirt: Your Site Works Just Fine In IE

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Post by lukeschlather »

angusgr wrote: post #181
lukeschlather wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you free to use those on non-Microsoft host operating system? I thought the last time I checked the host had to be Windows Professional. Also you have to re-download the image every 3 months, and get it set up again. I can't just toss a virtualbox image on my personal Ubuntu machine and test in IE6-8. I need a Windows computer to test my personal sites (which are barely worth development time.)

I haven't tried them, but the page says: "may or may not work in other hosting environments." & "simply shutdown the VPC image and discard the changes you’ve made from undo disks to reset the image back to its initial state. By doing either of these methods, you can technically have a base image which never expires although you will never be able to permanently save any changes on these images for longer than 90 days…

Yeah, I read the marketing copy too. It sounds like it's deliberately worded to avoid mentioning whether or not you're licensed to run it on Mac/Linux.

Re: Hey Paydirt: Your Site Works Just Fine In IE

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Post by JangoSteve »

masklinn wrote: post #158
JangoSteve wrote: post #151

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Or another way of looking at it, infinity times greater than the cost of Chrome or Firefox testing environments.

Except Chrome and Firefox both regularly have issues showing up on one platform and not the other, so "Chrome or Firefox testing environments" include the browser and all 3 primary platforms at the very least. Oh look at that, one of those platforms being Microsoft Windows you've already paid for the license you need for testing FF and Chrome.

I can count on one hand the number of times I've had Windows-specific Chrome or Firefox issues in the past 7 years.

Re: Hey Paydirt: Your Site Works Just Fine In IE

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Post by overgryphon »

billpatrianakos wrote: post #97

It's easy to say IE9+ works but in the real world people aren't upgrading their version of IE like users of other browsers tend to do. While IE9 and above are much better than their predecessors by a long shot they still require you to jump through more hoops compared to any other browser. IE9 supports gradients but you have to feed it so,e conditional CSS for it to work as expected. Overall it's misleading to say "I…

IE is older and has a larger user base than other browsers- FF and Chrome also have their share of non-upgraders, and as they get older they will have the same problems.

Re: Hey Paydirt: Your Site Works Just Fine In IE

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Post by [deleted] »

billpatrianakos wrote: post #97

It's easy to say IE9+ works but in the real world people aren't upgrading their version of IE like users of other browsers tend to do. While IE9 and above are much better than their predecessors by a long shot they still require you to jump through more hoops compared to any other browser. IE9 supports gradients but you have to feed it so,e conditional CSS for it to work as expected. Overall it's misleading to say "I…

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Re: Hey Paydirt: Your Site Works Just Fine In IE

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Post by jneen »

mcpherrinm wrote: post #156
ken wrote: post #120

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Or compared to the cost of the developer's time for testing and writing code for it. It's annoying that supporting IE costs one Windows license. It's painful that it's so far from standards compliance.

Microsoft provides free Virtual Machine images for testing Internet Explorer. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=1157...

Yep, that's what I was referring to when I said "opposite of straightforward".

I've been reading a lot of these kinds of articles from the IE team lately ("Our browser is better now, why does everyone still hate us?"). And I have to admit, IE9 is a huge leap forward in terms of standards compliance and general non-wonkiness.

But until they really focus on making the development and testing processes better, I'm still going to groan about having to support it.

Re: Hey Paydirt: Your Site Works Just Fine In IE

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Post by [deleted] »

SchizoDuckie wrote: post #182

In my opinion this is the beginning of the end for Microsoft. People are shouting out that they're done with it, and Microsoft is trying the same trick as before: Creating unneccesary lock-in where there is absolutely no use. Why did the first beta of IE10 work on windows 7 and now you need to download a 3.2 gb unfinished operating system? It's bullshit, It's insane, and once again the developers are being assraped b…

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Re: Hey Paydirt: Your Site Works Just Fine In IE

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Post by overgryphon »

SchizoDuckie wrote: post #182

In my opinion this is the beginning of the end for Microsoft. People are shouting out that they're done with it, and Microsoft is trying the same trick as before: Creating unneccesary lock-in where there is absolutely no use. Why did the first beta of IE10 work on windows 7 and now you need to download a 3.2 gb unfinished operating system? It's bullshit, It's insane, and once again the developers are being assraped b…

Yes, the beginning of the end for Microsoft because IE is the only product they develope.

Re: Hey Paydirt: Your Site Works Just Fine In IE

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Post by [deleted] »

SchizoDuckie wrote: post #182

In my opinion this is the beginning of the end for Microsoft. People are shouting out that they're done with it, and Microsoft is trying the same trick as before: Creating unneccesary lock-in where there is absolutely no use. Why did the first beta of IE10 work on windows 7 and now you need to download a 3.2 gb unfinished operating system? It's bullshit, It's insane, and once again the developers are being assraped b…

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Re: Hey Paydirt: Your Site Works Just Fine In IE

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Post by Joeboy »

mcpherrinm wrote: post #156
ken wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or compared to the cost of the developer's time for testing and writing code for it. It's annoying that supporting IE costs one Windows license. It's painful that it's so far from standards compliance.

Microsoft provides free Virtual Machine images for testing Internet Explorer. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=1157...

So Microsoft provides virtual machines with IE on them? And they're for VirtualPC? That's kind of hilarious, although it'll probably seem less so next time I need to debug something in IE.

Re: Hey Paydirt: Your Site Works Just Fine In IE

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Post by robocat »

nirvdrum wrote: post #183
robocat wrote: post #176

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But the virtual images are designed to run in VirtualPC. I managed to get one running in VitualBox on Linux, but it was complex, time consuming, and had other problems. Then the VM expired after a few months, yayyy, more time wasting. I.e. they cost nothing but your time...

A BizSpark account will cost you $100 over the course of 3 years. You can get every OS they've released and run them on whatever you want. Yes, you'll have to spend time installing the OS, but Win 7 installs pretty quickly these days and that's the only way you're getting IE 9 anyway. It was a pretty good investment for us. I run Win 7 in VMWare Player on Linux & VMWare Fusion on Mac pretty regularly.

BizSpark is really great for a lean startup (we did use it), but it also incurs significant time costs:

- the website was a nightmare to use (maybe it has improved)

- it was impossible to work out what you could and couldn't do - I suggest just use it and ignore details.

- you incur a time debt three years later sorting out OS/Office installs.

If you are funded, MSDN and proper licenses might make more sense.

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