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Re: Tyler Perry Puts $800M Studio Expansion on Hold After Seeing OpenAI's Sora

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Post by johnnyanmac »

bhpm wrote: post #96
MatekCopatek wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For someone not from the USA, what's a culture war movie? Are you talking about America being the good guy in all the movies? Or the thing where there are more black and gay characters now and conservative people don't like it? More importantly though - why would AI change the prevalent ideology in movies? Won't the same people who already make movies keep making them, just using AI?

“Culture War” is a dog whistle for any movie that includes women, gays, or blacks. Notice the comment you’re replying to was written by a throwaway account. There is no culture war in America. There is only a group of people who feel threatened by the existence of content that isn’t targeted squarely at them. There is only a group of people who are terrified that, if they aren’t the majority voice in absolutely every…

>There is no culture war in America.

ehh, the culture war is by far the most annoying part of modern internet discussion. Casting it off as "one side if right one side is wrong" is exactly why we have such "wars". No war has ever had a side that rationalized itself as the villian.

Re: Tyler Perry Puts $800M Studio Expansion on Hold After Seeing OpenAI's Sora

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Post by johnnyanmac »

throwaway118899 wrote: post #167
bhpm wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Culture War” is a dog whistle for any movie that includes women, gays, or blacks. Notice the comment you’re replying to was written by a throwaway account. There is no culture war in America. There is only a group of people who feel threatened by the existence of content that isn’t targeted squarely at them. There is only a group of people who are terrified that, if they aren’t the majority voice in absolutely every…

I use a throwaway account because any talk whatsoever about these things is enough to get fired from most left-leaning startups. So deal with it. Original comment was upvoted but still got flagged, which is evidence of exactly the type of sensitive bullshit I’m referring to.

>which is evidence of exactly the type of sensitive bullshit I’m referring to.

disagreement =/= sensitivity. This kind of stuff is what many come here to avoid, because ultimately it leads to flame wars, and half of HN's policies and guidelines more or less come down to "don't flame".

You can talk about such issues without being flagged, but you need to actually talk about them, not mud sling. Maybe not without downvotes, because I'm not going to pretend HN doesn't have its kneejerk topics, but flagging a good 95+% of the time comes for good reason (at least on comments).

Re: Tyler Perry Puts $800M Studio Expansion on Hold After Seeing OpenAI's Sora

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Post by jncfhnb »

robenkleene wrote: post #166
jncfhnb wrote: post #142

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Ok but what’s your point? This is not outside the capabilities of AI enabled tooling. You can adjust whatever you want, at whatever granularity you want. The goal is of course to make this unnecessary, because adjusting a single element doesn’t benefit much from ai. But there’s nothing say you can’t?

"Not outside the capabilities" isn't a strong argument, we want amazing, ten times better than the current tools, e.g., to use the language typical when describing what it takes to beat an incumbent tool. The point is to look at the patterns in how creative work is performed, it's generally about fine-grained control. E.g., the commonality across a musician, film editor, animator, music producer, photographer, painte…

I’m not making that claim. I’m claiming that AI tools can do fine grained too.

Re: Tyler Perry Puts $800M Studio Expansion on Hold After Seeing OpenAI's Sora

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Post by Timber-6539 »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #172
Timber-6539 wrote: post #168

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We'll cross that bridge if we get there.

Yeah, last time that happened, Meta became a trillion dollar company before some parts of the world got some semblance of privacy back. The bridge is currently burning and much of the world still doesn't notice its being burnt alive. I'm not gonna trust the pyromaniacs with the next bridge if I can help it.

What makes you think this time will be any different?

> The bridge is currently burning and much of the world still doesn't notice its being burnt alive.

Citation required.

Re: Tyler Perry Puts $800M Studio Expansion on Hold After Seeing OpenAI's Sora

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Post by jncfhnb »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #177
jncfhnb wrote: post #60

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Open AI is building things for their own gratification. Open companies are building things for others to create things.

>Open companies sure do wish we had those.

Stability is more than good enough

Re: Tyler Perry Puts $800M Studio Expansion on Hold After Seeing OpenAI's Sora

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Post by bhpm »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #181
bhpm wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Culture War” is a dog whistle for any movie that includes women, gays, or blacks. Notice the comment you’re replying to was written by a throwaway account. There is no culture war in America. There is only a group of people who feel threatened by the existence of content that isn’t targeted squarely at them. There is only a group of people who are terrified that, if they aren’t the majority voice in absolutely every…

>There is no culture war in America. ehh, the culture war is by far the most annoying part of modern internet discussion. Casting it off as "one side if right one side is wrong" is exactly why we have such "wars". No war has ever had a side that rationalized itself as the villian.

A war implies there is something at stake. There’s not. Log off. Go outside. Volunteer in your community. Hug your kids. Make love to your partner. And remember these two immutable facts:

(1) The terminally online will always be outraged about something.

(2) You have a finite amount of time on earth and then you’re dead.

Re: Tyler Perry Puts $800M Studio Expansion on Hold After Seeing OpenAI's Sora

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Post by robenkleene »

jncfhnb wrote: post #183
robenkleene wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Not outside the capabilities" isn't a strong argument, we want amazing, ten times better than the current tools, e.g., to use the language typical when describing what it takes to beat an incumbent tool. The point is to look at the patterns in how creative work is performed, it's generally about fine-grained control. E.g., the commonality across a musician, film editor, animator, music producer, photographer, painte…

I’m not making that claim. I’m claiming that AI tools can do fine grained too.

I thought that's what you were saying here? "The goal is of course to make this unnecessary, because adjusting a single element doesn’t benefit much from ai."

(And re AI also doing fine-grained yeah addressed that above: Just showing up isn't impressive, it needs to be absolutely amazing at fine-grained control to be a real creative tool in my opinion.)

Re: Tyler Perry Puts $800M Studio Expansion on Hold After Seeing OpenAI's Sora

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Post by jncfhnb »

robenkleene wrote: post #187
jncfhnb wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not making that claim. I’m claiming that AI tools can do fine grained too.

I thought that's what you were saying here? "The goal is of course to make this unnecessary, because adjusting a single element doesn’t benefit much from ai." (And re AI also doing fine-grained yeah addressed that above: Just showing up isn't impressive, it needs to be absolutely amazing at fine-grained control to be a real creative tool in my opinion.)

Ugh. Ok

1) you can go as fine grained as you want. This is not a limitation.

2) going fine grained beyond a certain point is stupid. You don’t edit individual pixels in high resolution art. The tools allow it, but it is not a part of practical workflows.

3) the goal is of course to make fine grained adjustments not needed, because the fine grained details are well executed with high level executions. Same as experienced in (2).

If you still think this is worth debating I’d request a specific example of a practical detail that you think is fine grained and not servable by AI.

A frame of a film is just an image and is easily handled. A decibel is not a thing.

Re: Tyler Perry Puts $800M Studio Expansion on Hold After Seeing OpenAI's Sora

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Post by robenkleene »

jncfhnb wrote: post #188
robenkleene wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought that's what you were saying here? "The goal is of course to make this unnecessary, because adjusting a single element doesn’t benefit much from ai." (And re AI also doing fine-grained yeah addressed that above: Just showing up isn't impressive, it needs to be absolutely amazing at fine-grained control to be a real creative tool in my opinion.)

Ugh. Ok 1) you can go as fine grained as you want. This is not a limitation. 2) going fine grained beyond a certain point is stupid. You don’t edit individual pixels in high resolution art. The tools allow it, but it is not a part of practical workflows. 3) the goal is of course to make fine grained adjustments not needed, because the fine grained details are well executed with high level executions. Same as experien…

This of course all comes down to a philosophy of creativity and art. In my philosophy of creativity and art, fine-grained details is where the art gets made. You can disagree with that, but I'd point to as evidence the design of the software and other tools that creators use are designed to facilitate fine-grained edits. So if you think that fine-grained edits aren't where the creativity and art comes from, then I'd ask why do you think all the tools are designed to offer that level of control? (E.g., DAWs, NLEs, 3D modeling/rendering, photo editing, vector editing, etc...).

There are also "coarse" tools, and a market for them, e.g., iMovie and Canva, and I'd put AI tools in that same category of course. There's nothing new about coarse tools, but those are general for a different audience, and for a different production level.

I.e., another way of saying this is that important thing is not "high-level of execution", Steve Albini didn't become a sought after producer by being technically great. In high-level creation, technical excellence is usually table stakes. He became sought after by having a particular vision for his music production, and that vision was executed by having fine-grained control over every single audio element of what he was working on.

You can believe AI will negate the need for all this, but my point is simply that would be a mighty large coup to how high-level creation works today, ergo extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Re: Tyler Perry Puts $800M Studio Expansion on Hold After Seeing OpenAI's Sora

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Post by jncfhnb »

robenkleene wrote: post #189
jncfhnb wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ugh. Ok 1) you can go as fine grained as you want. This is not a limitation. 2) going fine grained beyond a certain point is stupid. You don’t edit individual pixels in high resolution art. The tools allow it, but it is not a part of practical workflows. 3) the goal is of course to make fine grained adjustments not needed, because the fine grained details are well executed with high level executions. Same as experien…

This of course all comes down to a philosophy of creativity and art. In my philosophy of creativity and art, fine-grained details is where the art gets made. You can disagree with that, but I'd point to as evidence the design of the software and other tools that creators use are designed to facilitate fine-grained edits. So if you think that fine-grained edits aren't where the creativity and art comes from, then I'd…

Blah blah blah. Please point to a specific example. Ideally for art or video so we have ai reference points
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