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Argentina's Economy Is Screaming at Top of Its Lungs

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Re: Argentina's Economy Is Screaming at Top of Its Lungs

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Is this a marxist blog? Seems very opinionated. Milei's plans for Argentina's economic recovery is very unique & interesting, and should be a good example for other countries who struggle with massive public spending. Economic "shock therapy" is obviously painful in short term, especially for the beneficiaries of previous policies.

"The people are worse off, but the country is much better!"

You call that being opinionated, and yet you're okay (fascinated even) with an economy policy that brutalizes and starves in the short term? In a country like Argentina?

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Shock therapy like the one in Argentina is what turned the tide of inflation in the 1980s in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_1980s_recession_in_the_U.... Milei got a strong mandate, but we will have to see if his mandate and his conviction is ultimately strong enough.

At the time Volcker, the president of the Fed, was a target of many social groups - for example he would get in his mail, along with very explicit an threatening letters, car keys from dealerships that went bankrupt. Reagan himself waged wars against some groups, for example he had a huge falling out with Air Traffic Controllers that resulted in sacking most of them and substantial problems with air traffic management due to understaffing.

But it worked, and we got the prosperous but greedy 80s. Soviet Union never recovered from the inflationary pressures, except that over there the system lacked price discovery so inflation manifested in other ways, through extreme shortages of goods / very long queues.

The situation in the late 1970s was so severe that the US even started issuing bonds in foreign currency! People preaching "the end of the Dollar" or some other similar extreme ideas usually don't realize that we're not even close to the Carter bonds stage yet. And even that stage was ultimately reversed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_bonds

Re: Argentina's Economy Is Screaming at Top of Its Lungs

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The article founds it's conclusion on some KPIs which are down compared to a month ago or two months ago. But what about the long term trends? Aren't those KPIs falling for decades now. Is this really something new? When I look at the Peso/Dollar rate: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=argentina%20peso%20usd It's in decline for over 20 years. Can you really blame a new president on not stopping this in two months…

People seem to have this expectation that an economic crisis is like a storm. Kind of blows in, out of nowhere and then things are bad. For that sort of person, 2 months is a long time. I don't know why people seem to think that way though because it doesn't make any sense; and economic crisis is usually triggered by past decisions that have destroyed wealth and people are now having to realise it. I'd put Argentina'…

A single moderately sized city in China has a population of 25% of Argentina

Re: Argentina's Economy Is Screaming at Top of Its Lungs

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This recent focus on Argentina has highlighted a common tactic the media likes to use: - Bad thing happens for long time: ignore, downplay. - Bad thing continues to happen, but “enemy” person that can be blamed for it appears: suddenly it’s headline news and this new bad person caused the problem. No one that has paid any attention to Argentina is surprised that the economy is chaotic and undergoing experiments of wh…

To be fair there's "bad" and there's "more than bad", this looks to be in the "more than bad" territory. And whenever I hear "Shock therapy" being mentioned I shiver, because it reminds me of my childhood and adolescence spent under such an economic policy in Eastern Europe back in the '90s. It was worse than hell, thinking back at it.

So all I can say it's that I wish the Argentinian people all the best, they're going to need it.

Re: Argentina's Economy Is Screaming at Top of Its Lungs

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post #6

Is this a marxist blog? Seems very opinionated. Milei's plans for Argentina's economic recovery is very unique & interesting, and should be a good example for other countries who struggle with massive public spending. Economic "shock therapy" is obviously painful in short term, especially for the beneficiaries of previous policies.

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post #15

This recent focus on Argentina has highlighted a common tactic the media likes to use: - Bad thing happens for long time: ignore, downplay. - Bad thing continues to happen, but “enemy” person that can be blamed for it appears: suddenly it’s headline news and this new bad person caused the problem. No one that has paid any attention to Argentina is surprised that the economy is chaotic and undergoing experiments of wh…

To be fair there's "bad" and there's "more than bad", this looks to be in the "more than bad" territory. And whenever I hear "Shock therapy" being mentioned I shiver, because it reminds me of my childhood and adolescence spent under such an economic policy in Eastern Europe back in the '90s. It was worse than hell, thinking back at it. So all I can say it's that I wish the Argentinian people all the best, they're goi…

For sure I don’t want to come across as if I am on “Team Milei.” I am more just annoyed that these recent Argentina is imploding articles don’t spend any time discussing why the country is in the position it’s in, pretty much entirely because of ideological reasons. They only cover the story because it’s useful for bashing their opponents, not because they actually care.

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post #12

Shock therapy like the one in Argentina is what turned the tide of inflation in the 1980s in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_1980s_recession_in_the_U... . Milei got a strong mandate, but we will have to see if his mandate and his conviction is ultimately strong enough. At the time Volcker, the president of the Fed, was a target of many social groups - for example he would get in his mail, along with very…

Brazil cured its hyperinflation by what could be described as the opposite of shock therapy.

Re: Argentina's Economy Is Screaming at Top of Its Lungs

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post #12

Shock therapy like the one in Argentina is what turned the tide of inflation in the 1980s in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_1980s_recession_in_the_U... . Milei got a strong mandate, but we will have to see if his mandate and his conviction is ultimately strong enough. At the time Volcker, the president of the Fed, was a target of many social groups - for example he would get in his mail, along with very…

Brazil cured its hyperinflation by what could be described as the opposite of shock therapy.

interesting - where can I read more?
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