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Re: Scuttlebutt social network: a decentralised platform

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Post by pooper »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #93
nightpool wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scuttlebutt had the Bitcoin like problem of requiring everybody to have a local copy of the entire database, with a confusing / glitchy "syncing" process to download the latest posts. I tried to use it for a few days on my Android, but it never showed any new posts and the syncing process took like 30 seconds every time I opened the app.

A true Satoshi whitepaper Bitcoin would include everyone having a local copy of the database as well as peer-to-peer connections. No necessary middlemen. Is this correct.

A Bitcoin of my dreams would have close to zero if not zero transactions cost with everyone on the network running at least full nodes fully synchronized with the main network. The fact that it costs money to send some Bitcoin from one wallet to another is sad.

Re: Scuttlebutt social network: a decentralised platform

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Post by jazzyjackson »

p4bl0 wrote: post #106
r3trohack3r wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't entirely true. Scuttelbutt had some design and scaling issues. But there wasn't a global database. Each user gets their own blockchain. Its a network of tiny blockchains where the consensus model was the signature from the private key and the chain of hashes.

Not disagreeing with you, just nitpicking on the use of a word: What you are describing is simply a signed Merkle tree, not a blockchain. You cannot really call an individual signing it's own ledger a consensus mechanism. Maybe "validity" or "authenticity" would be better terms here. I know a lot of people make this mistake of labelling anything that has a Merkle-tree like structure a blockchain but it's impractical…

right, blocks are specifically the result of a global consensus

if there's not a discrete unit of appended data that all peers agree has happened, there's not a block

"hashchain" maybe, but merkle tree is already plenty precise

Re: Scuttlebutt social network: a decentralised platform

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Post by rzzzt »

rglullis wrote: post #73
RankingMember wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No offense, but you're repeatedly using the term "midwit", which demonstrates that you have a higher-than-average tolerance/liking for non-layman vocabulary, and so might not be the best judge of what the average person is going to accept. Most people are not going to bother looking up the etymology of a word before dismissing a product named using it. Personally, I'm not a fan of the name because it's a word that, l…

My point (in relation to the top the of the thread I responded to) is that there are other things beyond the name that are more important/relevant when evaluating why the product wasn't successful. If Scuttlebutt had an amazing feature that had a viral component to attract people, was easy to use and had no roadblocks for distribution, it would likely succeed, regardless of the name (like github ). But it's not. Scut…

How many people are calling the website X (and just X, no née-s and formerly known as-s)?

Re: Scuttlebutt social network: a decentralised platform

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Post by rzzzt »

filoleg wrote: post #28
losvedir wrote: post #23

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Why? I think it's a fine name, better than most, because it's a normal English word that says exactly what it does / what it's for. You're not just saying that because the word happens to end in "butt" are you? Or am I missing something?

> I think it's a fine name, better than most, because it's a normal English word that says exactly what it does / what it's for Just because the name says exactly what the product does and what it's for, that doesn't automatically mean it is good. In fact, imo it is bad in a lot of cases. Do you think Instagram would have gotten as popular if it was named FlexGallery, or if Nextdoor was named SpreadRumorsActVaguelyRa…

FlexGallery could work... the rest are Java class names.

Re: Scuttlebutt social network: a decentralised platform

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Post by black_puppydog »

evbogue wrote: post #19
shp0ngle wrote: post #11

I keep hearing about Scuttlebutt for a long time but haven't seen anyone actually using it? Why? edit: hm, the recommended application on the website itself is ... from 2021, and the github of the app itself is archived now. And there is "bleeding edge" one ... from 2019. OK I can see that there might be problems

Oh Scuttlebot. Such a great idea, and for a time it actually worked. I haven't been actively developing with the codebase for years, but I believe the current status of the project is that there were too many code rewrites that simply broke things that previously worked at one point or another. I tell people sometimes that I'd put together a team to do a retro Scuttlebot revival with a Patchwork-style app and of cour…

Not sure if you're aware of this but mycognocist has continued a rust implementation and it's really getting there in terms of "what one would need for a patchwork style application"

https://github.com/mycognosist/solar

I've also been toying with this, exactly for that kind of unapologetically desktop-only "classic" client. Suffice to say I'm also a bit butt(hehe)hurt about how the desktop client story worked out after manyverse decided dump the original protocol some years into the effort.

Re: Scuttlebutt social network: a decentralised platform

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Post by rglullis »

rzzzt wrote: post #113
rglullis wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My point (in relation to the top the of the thread I responded to) is that there are other things beyond the name that are more important/relevant when evaluating why the product wasn't successful. If Scuttlebutt had an amazing feature that had a viral component to attract people, was easy to use and had no roadblocks for distribution, it would likely succeed, regardless of the name (like github ). But it's not. Scut…

How many people are calling the website X (and just X, no née-s and formerly known as-s)?

That's a separate problem, but that also shows that names (good or bad) are not really a make-or-break attribute of a product.

Re: Scuttlebutt social network: a decentralised platform

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Post by lurtbancaster »

nightpool wrote: post #40
shp0ngle wrote: post #11

I keep hearing about Scuttlebutt for a long time but haven't seen anyone actually using it? Why? edit: hm, the recommended application on the website itself is ... from 2021, and the github of the app itself is archived now. And there is "bleeding edge" one ... from 2019. OK I can see that there might be problems

Scuttlebutt had the Bitcoin like problem of requiring everybody to have a local copy of the entire database, with a confusing / glitchy "syncing" process to download the latest posts. I tried to use it for a few days on my Android, but it never showed any new posts and the syncing process took like 30 seconds every time I opened the app.

Admittedly my only exposure to the Secure Scuttlebutt Protocol(SSB) is through manyver.se [1] - a FOSS private(optionally) social media app. And the syncing issue you mention has been one for me too. Sometimes it's even worse - it fails to sync entirely until another app restart. Maybe this is a manyverse issue, maybe a SSB issue. Either way, hitherto at least, it doesn't seem reliable.

If there are alternative ways to have an offline(over Wi-Fi/bluetooth, not internet) social media/messaging app, that works on both Android and ios, please do let me know.

Thanks.

[1] https://www.manyver.se/

Re: Scuttlebutt social network: a decentralised platform

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Post by gardenhedge »

ang_cire wrote: post #6
cutler wrote: post #3

Rethink the name. Seriously.

Why? If someone will not use an app because it has a silly sounding name, or because they're so immature that "butt" is objectionable to them, I'm happy not to have them bring that attitude into a social space I'm part of.

You're already on a social space with plenty of people who won't use it because it has a silly name
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