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Re: Quality is a hard sell in big tech

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Post by colesantiago »

krapp wrote: post #9
colesantiago wrote: post #3

Great article, on a side note I wish we had a better word than ‘enshittification’. This ‘word’ has no etymological roots and cannot be taught to kids/teenagers or placed in the dictionary/thesaurus (most likely placed under the vulgar section if it has one) or cannot be said on tv or radio (some stations and channels have a policy that prohibits strong language being said over the airwaves) There has to be a better w…

Sorry... I tried to fight that battle when it first became popular and just got snarked on and voted down. Like it or not, the tech community has decided that Cory Doctorow's poop joke is a precise term of art to be taken seriously in technical discussion. People will even gatekeep it, if you use it in the wrong context. It's a very important and necessary word, apparently.

I’m glad i’m not the only one that sees this.

Often I read an article and that ‘word’ pops up and the article loses credibility, because of this ‘technobabble’ which is worse with purposefully laced vulgarity.

It’s always used in tech circles because it’s ‘funny’ now but we know we cannot say this in a serious discussion in public or context and expecting the other side to take what you’re saying seriously.

You are right to fight it and I believe if more people say this ‘word’ then it gives me the green light to coin words with ‘fuck’ in them and getting the public to say it without questioning me.

Re: Quality is a hard sell in big tech

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Post by RangerScience »

krapp wrote: post #9
colesantiago wrote: post #3

Great article, on a side note I wish we had a better word than ‘enshittification’. This ‘word’ has no etymological roots and cannot be taught to kids/teenagers or placed in the dictionary/thesaurus (most likely placed under the vulgar section if it has one) or cannot be said on tv or radio (some stations and channels have a policy that prohibits strong language being said over the airwaves) There has to be a better w…

Sorry... I tried to fight that battle when it first became popular and just got snarked on and voted down. Like it or not, the tech community has decided that Cory Doctorow's poop joke is a precise term of art to be taken seriously in technical discussion. People will even gatekeep it, if you use it in the wrong context. It's a very important and necessary word, apparently.

Would you say… that people got pretty shitty at naming things?

Edit: I kid, but, do you have a word you’d like used instead?

Re: Quality is a hard sell in big tech

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Post by thaumasiotes »

colesantiago wrote: post #3

Great article, on a side note I wish we had a better word than ‘enshittification’. This ‘word’ has no etymological roots and cannot be taught to kids/teenagers or placed in the dictionary/thesaurus (most likely placed under the vulgar section if it has one) or cannot be said on tv or radio (some stations and channels have a policy that prohibits strong language being said over the airwaves) There has to be a better w…

> This 'word' has no etymological roots

Huh? Not only does it have them, they are extremely transparent since it's such a recent coinage.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/en-

https://www.etymonline.com/word/-fy

Re: Quality is a hard sell in big tech

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Post by thaumasiotes »

colesantiago wrote: post #21
krapp wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry... I tried to fight that battle when it first became popular and just got snarked on and voted down. Like it or not, the tech community has decided that Cory Doctorow's poop joke is a precise term of art to be taken seriously in technical discussion. People will even gatekeep it, if you use it in the wrong context. It's a very important and necessary word, apparently.

I’m glad i’m not the only one that sees this. Often I read an article and that ‘word’ pops up and the article loses credibility, because of this ‘technobabble’ which is worse with purposefully laced vulgarity. It’s always used in tech circles because it’s ‘funny’ now but we know we cannot say this in a serious discussion in public or context and expecting the other side to take what you’re saying seriously. You are r…

> I believe if more people say this ‘word’ then it gives me the green light to coin words with ‘fuck’ in them and getting the public to say it without questioning me.

That already happened. Look how lightly people take references to "TFA" on this very site.

Re: Quality is a hard sell in big tech

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Post by BlueTemplar »

colesantiago wrote: post #13
BlueTemplar wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification > Doctorow has used the term platform decay to describe the same concept.

So then this proves that this ‘word’ doesn’t need to exist. So then it’s baffling (other than it’s vulgarity) that this ‘word’ has become popular. Only tech / writer / journalism circles has this sort of thing happens, I do hope that this word gets replaced. Reintroducing platform decay or something similar would be a start to get this into books rather than that ‘marketing vulgar buzzword’

I'm guessing that by the point that you consider using the word, you are annoyed enough at the situation that an expletive feels appropriate ?

Re: Quality is a hard sell in big tech

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Post by colesantiago »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #25
colesantiago wrote: post #3

Great article, on a side note I wish we had a better word than ‘enshittification’. This ‘word’ has no etymological roots and cannot be taught to kids/teenagers or placed in the dictionary/thesaurus (most likely placed under the vulgar section if it has one) or cannot be said on tv or radio (some stations and channels have a policy that prohibits strong language being said over the airwaves) There has to be a better w…

> This 'word' has no etymological roots Huh? Not only does it have them, they are extremely transparent since it's such a recent coinage. https://www.etymonline.com/word/en- https://www.etymonline.com/word/-fy

It's a silly coinage to describe a concept that has little to no roots other than 'shittification' which isn't really a word (other than the laced vulgarity), so I don't accept this either, so this is rounded to 0.

I do not see it as a serious 'word' to be written, taught or spoken, in fact using this 'word' gives the article less credibility as it makes the article trite and childish.

Re: Quality is a hard sell in big tech

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Post by laerus »

block_dagger wrote: post #11

I think a big part of the problem is bad design, churn, and lack of technical skill in product managers.

It's good to have product and project managers with technical skills but the problem is when they make technical decisions and disguise them as requirements.

Re: Quality is a hard sell in big tech

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Post by thaumasiotes »

colesantiago wrote: post #28
thaumasiotes wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This 'word' has no etymological roots Huh? Not only does it have them, they are extremely transparent since it's such a recent coinage. https://www.etymonline.com/word/en- https://www.etymonline.com/word/-fy

It's a silly coinage to describe a concept that has little to no roots other than 'shittification' which isn't really a word (other than the laced vulgarity), so I don't accept this either, so this is rounded to 0. I do not see it as a serious 'word' to be written, taught or spoken, in fact using this 'word' gives the article less credibility as it makes the article trite and childish.

How is this different from arguing that 9 has no prime factors because you don't like 3?
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