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Certain dogs are capable of learning the names for more than 100 different toys

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Re: Certain dogs are capable of learning the names for more than 100 different toys

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If dogs are smarter than we knew, what are some additional tasks we could give them? I have manuals for disability support dog training (opening doors, getting medications, helping to dress, etc) but maybe we could teach them to: - clean or arrange rooms or outdoor spaces - find and pile firewood - collect litter - convey messages to named people What else?

There's something very human about "hey, this thing is smart, better put it to work for us"

People who live near orangutans say that they can talk but don't do it in front of humans because they don't want to be made to work.

Re: Certain dogs are capable of learning the names for more than 100 different toys

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Who can't remember the smell of more than a few dozen objects?

We remember scents. We remember how chocolate smells. We do not smell well enough to associate smell with a particular object. Then, in turn, our brains are not hardwired to associate specific smells to specific objects. Look at our memory for faces. It isn't all about eyesight. Our brains have specific circuitry for faces. Dogs have the same for smell. Sensitivity is one thing, how the brain is wired is another.

> We remember how chocolate smells.

I rememeber:

  * how English Cadbury's smells
  * how El Rey Cordoba milk chocolate (from Venezuela) smells
  * how Hershey's smells
  * how hot chocolate made with Swiss Miss mix smells
  * how Toblerone smells
I could go on.

Re: Certain dogs are capable of learning the names for more than 100 different toys

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The argument I've seen made for crating from an evolutionary-history perspective is that dogs are den animals -- they actively like having a small nook that they can feel safe in, where they're comfortable and nothing can sneak up on them. I have a crate for my dog. The door stays open all the time, it has a comfy mat on its floor, and sometimes he goes there to take a nap. He's only ever shut in it when there's a re…

Cats like boxes.

Doesn't even need to be an actual box. You can just draw a slightly larger than cat sized square on the floor with masking tape.

Re: Certain dogs are capable of learning the names for more than 100 different toys

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I know I've seen videos of animals where I thought "damn, this one must be above the bell curve." And you know, there are individual humans vastly smarter than us so I figure there gotta be the same in the animal kingdom too.

And you can legally breed them.

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Re: Certain dogs are capable of learning the names for more than 100 different toys

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I adopted an Australian Shepherd from a friend a year ago and I'm absolutely blown away by how smart he is. He even knows the neighbor dogs' names. I can say "go get spot!" and he'll run after the right dog. He knows all my family members names. He knows that "you've arrived" on Google maps means we are there. He knows that "power on" coming from my Bluetooth headphones means we are going for a walk. He gets the conc…

I know a cocker spaniel who knows lots of such things - except tricks. Doesn't care much for tricks. But the little rascal observes and listenes keenly on everyone and everything around ...

Re: Certain dogs are capable of learning the names for more than 100 different toys

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I know I've seen videos of animals where I thought "damn, this one must be above the bell curve." And you know, there are individual humans vastly smarter than us so I figure there gotta be the same in the animal kingdom too.

And you can legally breed them.

legally really changes the vibe of your comment

Re: Certain dogs are capable of learning the names for more than 100 different toys

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We remember scents. We remember how chocolate smells. We do not smell well enough to associate smell with a particular object. Then, in turn, our brains are not hardwired to associate specific smells to specific objects. Look at our memory for faces. It isn't all about eyesight. Our brains have specific circuitry for faces. Dogs have the same for smell. Sensitivity is one thing, how the brain is wired is another.

> We remember how chocolate smells. I rememeber: * how English Cadbury's smells * how El Rey Cordoba milk chocolate (from Venezuela) smells * how Hershey's smells * how hot chocolate made with Swiss Miss mix smells * how Toblerone smells I could go on.

Although in a blind smell test, I wonder how well would you do? I've seen people fail hard at identifying what food their eating when blindfolded, and they have the additional power of taste rather than just smell.

We're wired to be able to pull up those memories and imagine a smell, but not to be able to identify what we're smelling when it's right in front of us.

Re: Certain dogs are capable of learning the names for more than 100 different toys

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I have a Shiba Inu and he's very much the same. If I say "look there's your friend Bella!" He goes nuts because that's his favorite friend to play with. He can even recognize the sound of their owner from multiple apartment buildings away. Not kidding at all. He'll go frantic begging to go outside and as soon as we're out he'll perk his ears, figure out the direction to go, and take off. And then after five or so min…

My Shiba has learned the days of the week. I have a family member that visits every Thursday, and he sits by the door waiting for them (only on Thursdays). And god forbid I work a weekend or do something off schedule, he gets stressed out thinking something is wrong. I often joke he would be a more normal dog if he had a lobotomy. Sometimes I wish he were a bit dumber :)

That's amazing. Have you looked up whether this ability has been observed in other dogs? Do you think your Shiba is counting the days, or maybe there is something different about Thursdays (besides your family member visiting) that's giving him a hint?

Re: Certain dogs are capable of learning the names for more than 100 different toys

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Hmm, I'm now struggling to remember basic developmental psych, but there's definitely a phase at which linguistic children struggle with things having two names (it can't be both "dog" and "Rex") but I think you're right - this phenomenon is subtly different to class inclusion. But either way, dogs can do something with language comprehension that speaking children can't, which is the bit I find really interesting

I need to read up more on this because in my extremely small sample size this kind of dual naming understanding came in really early with my daughter. I feel like it's a linguistic subtlety that us adults are struggling with conveying the exact concept.

My niece and nephew are being raised semi bilingually and they were happy to accept things could have multiple names before age 2 IIRC. The youngest only just turned 2.5 and can happily flick between Chinese and English (though has a bias towards English because that's what she hears more by a big margin)

Will be interesting how my future kids will be as they will be pretty much exactly 50:50.

Re: Certain dogs are capable of learning the names for more than 100 different toys

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If you haven't seen "What About Bunny" on YouTube, I highly recommend it. The dog has learned to use buttons to communicate her thoughts quite effectively. My favorite is "Why bunny dog?"

I just watched a few videos and it’s seems obvious it’s all down to cherry picking and confirmation bias on the part of the owner. I’ve no doubt the owner believes the dog is deliberately constructing sentences, but that isn’t what’s happening.

It's very clear that language use is occurring. A recent video shows the owner on the phone with the vet, and when she says "come in to express the anal glands" Bunny immediately gets up and uses the "no" button.

Another dog, while its owner is blowdrying her hair, presses the "wet" and then "dry" buttons.

Otter, Bunny's brother dog, learns the context of words from her, and they use words to each other, with clear, contextual meaning. They express humor, sadness, anger, frustration, empathy, caring, happiness, apathy, excitement, and more.

Their grammar is limited, the processing they can do is slower and on a smaller scope than humans. They definitely lack the breadth and depth of human cognition, but I can't understand how, given the overwhelming evidence of deliberate use of language in complex, nuanced, abstract, emotional, contextually relevant ways, people insist that "well that's not what they're doing!"

I think it's very likely that any and every mammal with a brain above a certain size will be able to use language, given the appropriate tools for it.

People are quick to point out the story of Clever Hans, but I think that story is worth revisiting. There's a very powerful bias for people to hold humans above other animals as somehow intrinsically special, fundamentally different from all other creatures, and language use being somehow unique to humanity seems to be one of the most stubbornly held beliefs.

I think we have language because we have vocal cords, complex mouths, opposable thumbs, fingers, and very large primate brains with a proportionally massive neocortex.

Take away the hands and we lose tool use, and probably can't develop culture, and so never develop language or complex vocalization, and never garner the benefits of those things. Take away culture and you have humans living in feral conditions. Modern studies of language deprivation, children raised in feral conditions, and other situations show us that it looks like some humans lose the ability to learn language past a certain age under those conditions.

Take away the effective mouth and vocal cords of human biology, and we may never have developed spoken language, but would likely have developed signing and nonvocal audible communication methods, and then developed culture around that.

So knowing that, when you take another look at the talking dogs with buttons, it's worth considering that up until a few years ago, people had essentially raised their pets in the absence of culture. No efforts were made to teach them language in the context they'd be able to handle. They didn't have tools that served as vocalization, limiting their effective vocabulary to bark, howl, sneeze, and whimper. Some dogs, through care and exposure, were seen as exceptional if they picked up words through context and repetition, like toy names and so forth.

If a standardized vocabulary was made available, with a repeatable training framework for dogs and cats, we give them what amounts to a culture prosthetic, and buttons give them a replacement for mouths and vocal cords.

It shouldn't be unreasonable or even particularly shocking to consider animals with brains similar to our own being capable of language use.

Imagine the conversations you could have with an orca trained to use buttons, or a pig, cow, bear, lion, or whatever your favorite mammal is.

I think we need to be much more open minded, not overly skeptical, and stop trying to find ways of insisting on human exceptionalism. It might help us learn more about how language and cognition work, and what it is about human brains that gives us such an apparent edge. Or maybe that edge isn't as significant as we think?

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