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Well, if I had read the interview it quickly would have been apparent that he's talking about video production. Mea culpa; I honestly thought Tyler Perry was a music guy.
Wait, so you didn't read it and posted this comment?
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I try not to guess what motivates complex animals such as humans when in an abstract discussion like “what motivates Sam Altman”. Do you have any inside knowledge of what motivates him or are you guessing because you have correlated things you don’t like with a company or individual?
I try not to guess what motivates complex animals such as humans when in an abstract discussion like “what motivates teenagers”. Do you have any inside knowledge of what motivates them or are you guessing because you have correlated things you don’t like with a certain demographic?
One group is downloading things other people made, sometimes transforming them - but we certainly haven't seen an explosion of remixes at the scale of OpenAI creations. The other group, OpenAI, makes tools that ingest copyrighted material and enable people to make a huge number of more complex transformations than the original "remix" culture, where the inputs are usually quite visible.
FWIW, I don't even really think the content pirates have as terrible a name as in GP's comment. I certainly have no criticism of them, especially considering that's how I got my start in technology. It's fine, it's just not as cool or as widespread as GenAI.
First, labor laws isn’t the answer to technology. It would be like regulating the camera because it put portrait artists out of work, or steam drills because it puts tunnel diggers. Art improved dramatically in a short period of time with the advent of the camera, became reflective of what the camera couldn’t do - reflect the nature of humanity back to us. Second, if you’ve done much with generative imagery you know…
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On the flip side - almost (say, 99.99%) of Human Engineers, Artists, Technicians, Scientists, etc... have mental models trained on copyrighted material. Nobody (to my knowledge) has ever said that you can't train on copyrighted material - what you aren't allowed to do is copy or directly plagiarize. Something that all the generative systems are going to great pains to remove from their system where possible. Are they…
Lots of people have said that it's illegal to train on copyrighted material without a license to it. Also, performance licenses for movies, plays, recorded music, and copyrighted scores are all required. The lack of copying is not relevant there, the performance alone can be infringing.
I like that you bring up music - almost every musician you have ever listened to (some exceptions of course) developed their talent by learning from others - chords, bridges, etc... And I'm just as certain that close to 0% of them had a "license to learn" from their material.
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Lots of people have said that it's illegal to train on copyrighted material without a license to it. Also, performance licenses for movies, plays, recorded music, and copyrighted scores are all required. The lack of copying is not relevant there, the performance alone can be infringing.
I'm intrigued - can you point me to any credible commentator or article that makes the argument "it's illegal to train on copyrighted material without a license to it" - that seems entirely contrary to the spirt (as I understand it) to copyright law, which is it grants you a right to copy. I like that you bring up music - almost every musician you have ever listened to (some exceptions of course) developed their tale…
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There's an enormous golf between just being iterative and control down to the last decibel/frame. Professional creative software is design around this fine-grained control.
Ok but what’s your point? This is not outside the capabilities of AI enabled tooling. You can adjust whatever you want, at whatever granularity you want. The goal is of course to make this unnecessary, because adjusting a single element doesn’t benefit much from ai. But there’s nothing say you can’t?
The point is to look at the patterns in how creative work is performed, it's generally about fine-grained control. E.g., the commonality across a musician, film editor, animator, music producer, photographer, painter, etc... if you're making the claim that suddenly AI is going to replace this need for fine-grained control then I'd put the burden of proof on the supporter of the AI tool to describe why the fine-grained control suddenly won't be important.
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For someone not from the USA, what's a culture war movie? Are you talking about America being the good guy in all the movies? Or the thing where there are more black and gay characters now and conservative people don't like it? More importantly though - why would AI change the prevalent ideology in movies? Won't the same people who already make movies keep making them, just using AI?
“Culture War” is a dog whistle for any movie that includes women, gays, or blacks. Notice the comment you’re replying to was written by a throwaway account. There is no culture war in America. There is only a group of people who feel threatened by the existence of content that isn’t targeted squarely at them. There is only a group of people who are terrified that, if they aren’t the majority voice in absolutely every…
Original comment was upvoted but still got flagged, which is evidence of exactly the type of sensitive bullshit I’m referring to.
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AI is not good enough to take over most jobs. The hype is overblown and lacking in evidence.
> AI is not good enough to take over most jobs. The hype is overblown and lacking in evidence. And I'm guessing once the evidence is strong enough to convince you, it will be too late to do anything about it.
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Well, if I had read the interview it quickly would have been apparent that he's talking about video production. Mea culpa; I honestly thought Tyler Perry was a music guy.
Wait, so you didn't read it and posted this comment?
Just owning my mistake.