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Certain dogs are capable of learning the names for more than 100 different toys

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Re: Certain dogs are capable of learning the names for more than 100 different toys

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It's unclear why the researchers believe that when a dog doesn't learn the names of a bunch of toys it means that they can't.

There are lots of things people are able to learn today that they "couldn't" a few years ago (programming, math, reading). How are the researchers able to tell that the limitation lies with the dog and not with the trainer/household?

Re: Certain dogs are capable of learning the names for more than 100 different toys

#13
Memorizing 100 names for things might seem like a big deal, but I guarantee that all dogs have memory for 100+ smells associated with things. They would call us stupid for not being able to remember the smell of more than a few dozen objects. My point: don't judge intelligence based on how well an animal can replicate human behavior. Each of them can do things that make us look like the idiots.

Re: Certain dogs are capable of learning the names for more than 100 different toys

#14
I've seen a few videos on YouTube of cats trained on these push-down language buttons, mounted in a hexagonal pattern, on a mat laying on the floor. The cats press a button and the button plays back a word which the owner has recorded.

I'd like to see more testing out of it but the cats seem to be rather expressive. They pick the same button, so at least they are consistent in their wants. They have a few verbs in the mix, it seems, not just nouns.

I wonder how dogs would do on these buttons.

Re: Certain dogs are capable of learning the names for more than 100 different toys

#15

Memorizing 100 names for things might seem like a big deal, but I guarantee that all dogs have memory for 100+ smells associated with things. They would call us stupid for not being able to remember the smell of more than a few dozen objects. My point: don't judge intelligence based on how well an animal can replicate human behavior. Each of them can do things that make us look like the idiots.

What do you mean fish are not stupid for being unable to climb trees?

Re: Certain dogs are capable of learning the names for more than 100 different toys

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post #11

It's unclear why the researchers believe that when a dog doesn't learn the names of a bunch of toys it means that they can't. There are lots of things people are able to learn today that they "couldn't" a few years ago (programming, math, reading). How are the researchers able to tell that the limitation lies with the dog and not with the trainer/household?

Indeed! The article talks about some kind of rare "genius" trait, but the findings just seem to demonstrate that there exists some dogs that were able to demonstrate a big vocabulary in their tests. Many people with dogs already knew that, but it's a sound finding to have citable anyway (especially since some people still hold weirdly dismissive beliefs about everyday animal intelligence).

But it doesn't say anything scientific about whether this is an inherent trait rather than a contextual outcome, what the frequency of any such trait might be, whether the dogs that failed the tests were incapable rather than indifferent, etc. Of course, the exact same pattern of ovverstatement shows up in human behavioral and psychological research, so we shouldn't be surprised to see it here :)

Re: Certain dogs are capable of learning the names for more than 100 different toys

#17
Knowing what we know about the variability within species, why would anyone NOT think that there is immense variations in intelligence in other mammalian species?

Especially a species that we've been selectively breeding for specific traits, some of which include independence and the ability to problem-solve?

Re: Certain dogs are capable of learning the names for more than 100 different toys

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They should breed them... I'm sure we could select for language geniuses.

That's a new breed I could support. Just throw together a bunch of different breeds of smart dogs. They'll be much mror healthy than most breeds of dog.

But creating any new breed, as in an actual breed rather than crossing mutts that will produce a variety of offspring, usually involved significant inbreeding. You need to weed out the genes that you don't want and concentrate on the few that define the breed in order to create a homogenous stock. Otherwise, in a couple generations the new offspring may pick start expressing the recessive genes and be nothing like the originals.

Re: Certain dogs are capable of learning the names for more than 100 different toys

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Memorizing 100 names for things might seem like a big deal, but I guarantee that all dogs have memory for 100+ smells associated with things. They would call us stupid for not being able to remember the smell of more than a few dozen objects. My point: don't judge intelligence based on how well an animal can replicate human behavior. Each of them can do things that make us look like the idiots.

Birds are able to do it as well, this popular bird on youtube seems to know at least that many words https://www.youtube.com/@ApolloandFrens

Re: Certain dogs are capable of learning the names for more than 100 different toys

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I surprised that poodles were called out as a less obvious smart dog.

My dog learned on her own that me holding keys + wearing glasses = car ride, while keys + no glasses = walk. It took me a while to learn how she knew what we were going to do.

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