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Post by brvsft »

hnbad wrote: post #280
chaosbolt wrote: post #265

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-In mid-August 2013, Rupert Murdoch's 21st Century Fox invested US$70 million in Vice Media, resulting in a 5% stake. -In August 2014, A&E Networks, a television group jointly owned by The Walt Disney Company and Hearst Corporation, made a US$250-million investment in Vice Media for an ownership stake of 10%. -In November and December 2015, Disney made two additional individual investments of US$200 million totalling…

Propaganda for what?

Pronouns Bio coyly pretends he doesn't know what Vice stands for.

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Post by BryantD »

nextaccountic wrote: post #21

It makes no sense to not let the site online in an archived form, for the posterity It wouldn't even be a significant cost and ads would recoup it anyway There should be a way to donate a website to the Internet Archive so that they run an online archive on it, basically keeping the site frozen forever (rather than relying on the Wayback Machine which has worse UX)

I agree with this premise; as others have noted, it's not clear whether or not the Web site is going away, but it shouldn't.

https://thedissolve.com/ is still up, and it's been eight years, and I'm really glad they didn't take it down. It's still a useful resource.

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Post by seattle_spring »

cookiemonsieur wrote: post #362
jameyk wrote: post #224

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Yup. I remember all the lies they used to put out back in the day in relation to the conlifct in syria.

The assertion that the “non-woke” media outlets do not lie or misrepresent information gave me a good hearty morning chuckle.

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Post by nailer »

jacurtis wrote: post #180

Its sad that Vice feels like they can only gain value from social media and YouTube. I feel like the best part of the internet is dying (good written detailed content), but the worst part of it is surviving and thriving: social media (short lived, low quality, clickbaity, dopamine chasing content).

> I feel like the best part of the internet is dying (good written detailed content), but the worst part of it is surviving and thriving: social media (short lived, low quality, clickbaity, dopamine chasing content).

Vice did short lived, low quality, clickbaity, dopamine-chasing content outside social media, it's just more profitable to do inside social media.

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Post by tsimionescu »

krisoft wrote: post #269
tsimionescu wrote: post #202

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Why do you think it's a problem of foresight and not simple motivation? Perhaps none of the parties cares about the availability of a book that doesn't make enough money to stay in print. Perhaps having the book become unavailable for some time is perceived as a benefit to the rights holder, allowing them to do a re-launch.

The question wasn’t what is the problem, but “how else you'd want to handle it”.

My point is that it's quite possible that both parties are perfectly happy with the current solution of having the ebook disappear from stores.

It's just us as fans who are not happy.

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Post by throwanem »

dajtxx wrote: post #301
fjfkjfdljkfd wrote: post #223

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Youtube is pushing Tik Tok style "shorts" pretty hard. If you ever accidently click on one, the UI makes it very hard to find your way back, and easy just to sit and watch a bunch of 15-second clips. Even the long-form content is a minefield. The line between educational, informative long-form content (Clickspring, Tech Ingredients, Ox Tools, Matthias Wendel, Alan Millyard, etc) and "lifestyle entertainment" (Matt Ar…

I’m finding ave harder to watch as time goes by. He’s got some conspiracy stuff going on and while he’s clearly intelligent & educated I wonder if he all that much smarter than most of us or if he’s just bluffing sometimes. He’d be fun to be friends with and hang out with for sure but I think a lot of people consider him some sort of know everything genius. He seems to play up to his audience more and more.

I learned a good deal from his earlier work, but you're not wrong about what he's up to these days. He's always been a drunk uncle, but there's a good side and a bad side to those, and since early in the pandemic he hasn't been spending all that much time on the good side.

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Post by Scoundreller »

massysett wrote: post #399
ewalk153 wrote: post #85

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Could the internet archive offer this as a paid service? For a reasonable fee, we'll archive your site, and give you back a copy of the assets you can turnkey host on the original domain for cheap with a static hosting solution (s3, cloudflare, etc). Everybody wins

No no, the exact opposite. If this bundle of content is so valuable, then someone can make a business out of buying it. Vice could go to WeBuyOldIntellectualAssets.com and get a flat price for it all, and that company would host it or do whatever with it. The same thing happens with brands - someone bought the Montgomery Ward brand at a bankruptcy auction or something - and with store inventory: once the store goes b…

Not just brands, but software too. The primary software I support at my day job was acquired by a company that, based on their other assets, can be described as where software goes to die.

We’re migrating away but they’ll squeeze out what they can from those that don’t/can’t/won’t.

But they still have to provide continuous support, some amount of updates to keep customers functioning, and maybe even get some new customers as a “value” option (that’s barely functional).

Happens to forums all the time (fuck you Internet Brands and Vertical Scope).

100000x easier to do all this with static web content.

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Post by im3w1l »

massysett wrote: post #399
ewalk153 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could the internet archive offer this as a paid service? For a reasonable fee, we'll archive your site, and give you back a copy of the assets you can turnkey host on the original domain for cheap with a static hosting solution (s3, cloudflare, etc). Everybody wins

No no, the exact opposite. If this bundle of content is so valuable, then someone can make a business out of buying it. Vice could go to WeBuyOldIntellectualAssets.com and get a flat price for it all, and that company would host it or do whatever with it. The same thing happens with brands - someone bought the Montgomery Ward brand at a bankruptcy auction or something - and with store inventory: once the store goes b…

I think the issue with this solution is that the seller loses control over their branding (namely what ads to show) if they do this.

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Post by TurkishPoptart »

nextaccountic wrote: post #21

It makes no sense to not let the site online in an archived form, for the posterity It wouldn't even be a significant cost and ads would recoup it anyway There should be a way to donate a website to the Internet Archive so that they run an online archive on it, basically keeping the site frozen forever (rather than relying on the Wayback Machine which has worse UX)

There's nothing worth archiving on that site.

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Post by ffsm8 »

massysett wrote: post #399
ewalk153 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could the internet archive offer this as a paid service? For a reasonable fee, we'll archive your site, and give you back a copy of the assets you can turnkey host on the original domain for cheap with a static hosting solution (s3, cloudflare, etc). Everybody wins

No no, the exact opposite. If this bundle of content is so valuable, then someone can make a business out of buying it. Vice could go to WeBuyOldIntellectualAssets.com and get a flat price for it all, and that company would host it or do whatever with it. The same thing happens with brands - someone bought the Montgomery Ward brand at a bankruptcy auction or something - and with store inventory: once the store goes b…

Found the young'un :)

That's too attractive to malware peddlers. It's not particularly widespread currently, mainly because most of the content has been centralized into the same big silos... But what you're envisioning here is just going to get abused by abusers

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