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Re: Tyler Perry Puts $800M Studio Expansion on Hold After Seeing OpenAI's Sora

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Post by fragmede »

janice1999 wrote: post #16
fnordpiglet wrote: post #5

First, labor laws isn’t the answer to technology. It would be like regulating the camera because it put portrait artists out of work, or steam drills because it puts tunnel diggers. Art improved dramatically in a short period of time with the advent of the camera, became reflective of what the camera couldn’t do - reflect the nature of humanity back to us. Second, if you’ve done much with generative imagery you know…

> First, labor laws isn’t the answer to technology. Laws have always been created to deal with new technologies and their fallout. Labour laws are no different. You should read about the musicians strike of 1942 [1]. When the record player was invented some people thought 'why pay a singer for more than one performance if technology allows you to record them and sell infinite copies'? No one would try that today with…

By "try that with Taylor Swift", you mean I can trivially torrent a copy of The Eras Tour?

Re: Tyler Perry Puts $800M Studio Expansion on Hold After Seeing OpenAI's Sora

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Post by jonathankoren »

teachinghacker wrote: post #25
notyourwork wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does piracy have to do with generative AI? I don’t understand your analogy.

It uses a lot of copyrighted content without permission.

What permission would be needed? It's READING it.

Are there problems when it reproduces it verbatim? Absolutely, but that's not what the copyright maximalists are talking about. They're saying it's a violation of their right of reproduction when someone simply reads their work.

I remember when people were upset that someone would (gasp!) link to their site without permission. Especially if it was a "deep link".

Expanding copyright in this novel way obviously is going to lead to a whole slew of problems, least among which is going to be ensuring regulatory capture by the largest of the largest simply because only they will have the money to license reading.

It's a shakedown by industries that no longer have a viable business model.

Re: Tyler Perry Puts $800M Studio Expansion on Hold After Seeing OpenAI's Sora

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Post by jprete »

edmundsauto wrote: post #37
endisneigh wrote: post #6

Teenagers with Limewire: pirates. OpenAI with terabytes: pioneers. Guess file size matters more than file type in the court of public opinion.

This is a shallow take. Teenagers are copying bits for their own gratification. OpenAI built a fascinating tool that enables other people to create things by transforming bits. Put another way, one group enables people to make things. The other does not.

OpenAI built it for a combination of their own gratification and cold hard cash. What do you think motivates AI researchers? What do you think motivates OpenAI employees now? Sam Altman? Microsoft?

Re: Tyler Perry Puts $800M Studio Expansion on Hold After Seeing OpenAI's Sora

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Post by robenkleene »

fragmede wrote: post #35
fnordpiglet wrote: post #5

First, labor laws isn’t the answer to technology. It would be like regulating the camera because it put portrait artists out of work, or steam drills because it puts tunnel diggers. Art improved dramatically in a short period of time with the advent of the camera, became reflective of what the camera couldn’t do - reflect the nature of humanity back to us. Second, if you’ve done much with generative imagery you know…

What's the market for a talented saxophone player in a major metropolitan area? It's not zero, but thanks to Spotify, it's not as big as before the advent of recorded music. Recorded music didn't just up the game, it completely changed it. Now you have ultra mega stars that make economic impacts to an area when she tours, but the market for a talented saxophone player in a major metropolitan area just isn't what it o…

Er, Taylor Swift?

Your analogy is wrong, Spotify, or really the phonograph, didn't put musicians out of work. The television did, because once that came along "just" playing well wasn't enough to be a star, on camera presence became more important.

Re: Tyler Perry Puts $800M Studio Expansion on Hold After Seeing OpenAI's Sora

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Post by brigadier132 »

dylan604 wrote: post #40
brigadier132 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> computational plagiarism Plagiarism is copying without attribution. Transformative works do not qualify as plagiarism.

when does it credit/attribute who/what/when/where the data it copied from?

You don't need to credit for a transformative work. LLMs don't regurgitate like you think they do.

Re: Tyler Perry Puts $800M Studio Expansion on Hold After Seeing OpenAI's Sora

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Post by jprete »

ghshephard wrote: post #42
endisneigh wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Useful generative AI is only possible by the same collection of copyrighted material previously deemed illegal. I imagine a model trained solely on material explicitly marked for AI use would be significantly worse.

On the flip side - almost (say, 99.99%) of Human Engineers, Artists, Technicians, Scientists, etc... have mental models trained on copyrighted material. Nobody (to my knowledge) has ever said that you can't train on copyrighted material - what you aren't allowed to do is copy or directly plagiarize. Something that all the generative systems are going to great pains to remove from their system where possible. Are they…

Lots of people have said that it's illegal to train on copyrighted material without a license to it.

Also, performance licenses for movies, plays, recorded music, and copyrighted scores are all required. The lack of copying is not relevant there, the performance alone can be infringing.

Re: Tyler Perry Puts $800M Studio Expansion on Hold After Seeing OpenAI's Sora

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Post by networkchad »

jonathankoren wrote: post #52
teachinghacker wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It uses a lot of copyrighted content without permission.

What permission would be needed? It's READING it. Are there problems when it reproduces it verbatim? Absolutely, but that's not what the copyright maximalists are talking about. They're saying it's a violation of their right of reproduction when someone simply reads their work. I remember when people were upset that someone would (gasp!) link to their site without permission. Especially if it was a "deep link". Expan…

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Re: Tyler Perry Puts $800M Studio Expansion on Hold After Seeing OpenAI's Sora

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Post by robenkleene »

jncfhnb wrote: post #38
fnordpiglet wrote: post #5

First, labor laws isn’t the answer to technology. It would be like regulating the camera because it put portrait artists out of work, or steam drills because it puts tunnel diggers. Art improved dramatically in a short period of time with the advent of the camera, became reflective of what the camera couldn’t do - reflect the nature of humanity back to us. Second, if you’ve done much with generative imagery you know…

I’m not sure I agree it’s hard to create specific things. The tooling, imo, feels infant, but promising. And it can layer upon itself. Right now control net can do pretty good character pose control, but you have to make the pose. Well… next step is to generate the pose with a request. Same for faces.

When you're editing in an NLE, you can pick the exact frame where your transition begins. When you're editing in DAW, you can change the volume by tiny fractions of a decibel, for a single frequency. Just about every piece of mainstream media (e.g., excluding social media) has had every single frame, and every second of sound, polished to absolute perfection (or at least one sound engineer or editors perception of it). How is AI going to attain the level of polish (via control) we expect from mainstream media?

Re: Tyler Perry Puts $800M Studio Expansion on Hold After Seeing OpenAI's Sora

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Post by endisneigh »

edmundsauto wrote: post #37
endisneigh wrote: post #6

Teenagers with Limewire: pirates. OpenAI with terabytes: pioneers. Guess file size matters more than file type in the court of public opinion.

This is a shallow take. Teenagers are copying bits for their own gratification. OpenAI built a fascinating tool that enables other people to create things by transforming bits. Put another way, one group enables people to make things. The other does not.

How do you know teenagers were not using the content to create their own music?

Funny how BigCorp gets benefit of the doubt. By the way, despite the name, OpenAI and teens are both doing it for their own gratification.

Re: Tyler Perry Puts $800M Studio Expansion on Hold After Seeing OpenAI's Sora

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Post by jncfhnb »

edmundsauto wrote: post #37
endisneigh wrote: post #6

Teenagers with Limewire: pirates. OpenAI with terabytes: pioneers. Guess file size matters more than file type in the court of public opinion.

This is a shallow take. Teenagers are copying bits for their own gratification. OpenAI built a fascinating tool that enables other people to create things by transforming bits. Put another way, one group enables people to make things. The other does not.

Open AI is building things for their own gratification. Open companies are building things for others to create things.
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