daily reminder that you are probably not cynical enough about your companies sociology: https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-... i certainly wasn't
We blow back and forth, windlessly, in the void. We imagine the story of it, and sell it to others. From this we build our world from nothingness.
Our Company Is Doing So Well That You're All Fired
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#272What about when companies are doing layoffs but still continue hire at exactly the same time ? Sometimes, they even hire for the same positions that were just laid off. Are there ever conversations where employees are asked to take a pay cut instead of being laid off?
And what about companies who do layoffs and then have to scramble to try to re-hire some of the very key, crucial people that were "accidentally" let go?
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#273You know it's satire from the title (and the first paragraph) because it uses terms like "fired" and "let go". Nobody uses those anymore. You're "impacted".
This needs further dehumanization: your "role" is impacted.
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#274Earlier quoted context omitted.
Twitter shed 80% and still works, is still the go to outside of fringe empty echo chambers of the left and right divide. Not only that but they added a significant amount of features like Grok, which I know nothing about really, and Substack like payments. 80% is a lot and it works just fine. 7,500 to 1,300 in Jan 2023. Source: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/20/twitter-is-down-to-fewer-tha...
Twitter doesn't work if we go by the same definition as before. They have a ton of outages, the app is constantly buggy, the ad network is ridiculous, the moderation is nonexistent. I faced a bug that new tweets wouldn't load _for weeks_. If it was any other company, we would be saying they are done, but since it is Elon at the helm, some people pretend that Twitter still works.
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#275Earlier quoted context omitted.
And what about companies who do layoffs and then have to scramble to try to re-hire some of the very key, crucial people that were "accidentally" let go?
I wonder if those accounts ever make it back up to the C-level executives and the board of directors.
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#276If the company fires hundreds or thousands of people and there is no visible dip in the productivity, is it really a bad thing? One thing that is baffling to me is that these companies can fire 10% of their workforce and they just keep on chugging without a hitch. The bullshit job phenomenon is the problem here.
> and there is no visible dip in the productivity, is it really a bad thing? A few issues to consider: 1. Many companies can continue to operate for a time purely based on momentum and existing pipelines. That does not mean that this is sustainable. 2. The lack of a visible dip does not mean the internals are healthy. Often layoffs are accompanied with an expectation to "do more with less", which generally means the…
I've always wondered: If the layoff is happening because the company over-hired and the roles are no longer needed, then why do existing employees need to step up and do those roles that the company just said are no longer needed?
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#277Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why is anyone so quick to take the company side? For starters, productivity is a broad term, so without defining what it means in context it isn’t doing anyone any favors. You won’t feel the dip or record it until after the event happens, and often not right away. When productivity drops a year from now for example, that could be due to layoffs. It’s not always immediate in its impact. I also question this from the o…
> Why is anyone so quick to take the company side? HN has a lot of "wish I was a tech CEO" types, plus the general dose of contrarianism that runs deep in this place.
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#278Earlier quoted context omitted.
> why are executives who set the company priorities not also axed? They are the ones that ultimately messed up as they had poor strategic vision. Are you fired for any mistake you make in your job? Generally not. And managing staff size is like 1% of their job. They're also busy running their divisions, managing roadmaps and objectives and all sorts of non-staff resource planning, etc. It's entirely reasonable to thi…
Has anyone tried laying off most of the executive team - instead of the workers?
In reality, they are able to fire the people with the least amount of power.
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#279Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's interesting is that capitalist systems often make socialist systems poor through sanctions, military intervention, & other underhanded tactics. It's a geopolitical game of control & socialism stands of defiance over the banking establishment. Times seem to be changing though as the commodity producing nations are gaining leverage & winning wars against colonial nations. The problem for the colonialists is if t…
Mate, you want to tell me that a country that had 1/6 of all the resources of the planet collapsed into oblivious because of the Western sanctions and mean Western banks? I'm sorry, I'm not buying it. Authoritarian/Totalitarian structures always flop. Unfortunately, they also tend to screw millions of lives in between. They also like put the blame on others and gaslight. Like a crazy doomsday cult. Oh mate... The so-…
Are you talking about Russia? They seem to be on the upswing by all standards. Food is plentiful & inexpensive compared to the inflation that we see in America with rampant homelessness...while billions are sent to buy weapons for foreign countries. You seem quite emotionally agitated.
> Authoritarian/Totalitarian structures always flop. Unfortunately, they also tend to screw millions of lives in between. They also like put the blame on others and gaslight. Like a crazy doomsday cult
Gee...are you talking about Pax Americana Exceptionalism? With NeoCon/NeoLib crying about "human rights" while supplying weapons & escalating conflicts to genocide populations of brown people?
> Oh mate... The so-called socialism is a much worse mafia which wouldn't even allow you to call them mafia. The way they disregard human life and any human morals would damage your mental sanity if you ever had to face it. I hope you wouldn't. I wish you all the best and a great life, and hopefully you would never have to face the evil that the socialism is.
I'm glad that I don't live in a country controlled by Nazis, yes actual Banderite Nazis, brought in by a US backed coup...where young men & women are picked up off the street & sent to the front lines to die. All because the country is dissuaded from making a peace agreement by British & American politicians. Lets get real. This insanity needs to stop...or people will look for alternatives...which is happening as we speak. I hope we can focus on what is constructive again & be on the right side of history. The age of Colonialism is nearing its end.
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#280If the company fires hundreds or thousands of people and there is no visible dip in the productivity, is it really a bad thing? One thing that is baffling to me is that these companies can fire 10% of their workforce and they just keep on chugging without a hitch. The bullshit job phenomenon is the problem here.
If you have a project/company that's already running well and you fire almost everybody except a skeleton crew, you'd be amused but things don't crumble down instantly. Technical debt piles up and everything goes to maintenance mode, when you need the insight of the good people who left is when you realise that going to the previous state will cost you a lot more time and money than you might possibly predict.
Recently it broke, and I have no clue how to get it working again. Fortunately it's just an internal thing so it's just disrupting work and not causing problems with customers, but now we're having to abruptly scramble to migrate off it and it's going to push back a lot of timelines. We got away with coasting on our upfront investment for six years, but it didn't last forever.