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Re: I recorded a screen capture of a task. Gemini generated code to replicate it

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Post by gerdesj »

eden_hazard wrote: post #3

I feel like most engineers on hackernews/reddit have been underestimating AI tech. People always say it sucks and it gets starts hallucinating nonexistent libraries and what not but we are still in the early phase of this technology. And that how it could never replace them as AI will make current engineers more efficient. I've been scared of AI since seeing chatgbt a couple of years ago. I feel like it's only a matt…

Well, you say we underestimate but are you sure you are not the "underestimater"?

Amongst other things, one of the tasks I tried to put ChatGPT to was writing scripts in a not so popular dialect of a very popular language: PowerCLI (PowerShell). Gemini is even worse!

The issue is of course the relative lack of PowerCLI vs the huge body of PowerShell generic stuff. Hallucinations include invented function parameters and much worse. It doesn't help that PowerCLI and MS's Hyper-V effort (whatever that is) both have a Get-VM function etc.

These things are "only" next token/word guessers. They are not magic and they are certainly not intelligent. I do get great results in other domains and with a bit of creativity but you have to be really careful.

No need to feel triggered. Use these tools as best works for you and crack on but do be careful to be an engineer and critically examine the output from the tool.

Re: I recorded a screen capture of a task. Gemini generated code to replicate it

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Post by dotty- »

xyst wrote: post #27
eden_hazard wrote: post #3

I feel like most engineers on hackernews/reddit have been underestimating AI tech. People always say it sucks and it gets starts hallucinating nonexistent libraries and what not but we are still in the early phase of this technology. And that how it could never replace them as AI will make current engineers more efficient. I've been scared of AI since seeing chatgbt a couple of years ago. I feel like it's only a matt…

HN also underestimated cryptocurrency craze. Yet years later, it is busted. Seeing the same patterns with AI. Every startup is now incorporating “AI” or “deep learning” or “OpenAI” into their decks/motto/pitch. Have yet to see anything worth using beyond the initial hype. Using AI to me is like learning another programming language. Same shit. Different interface.

Is cryptocurrency busted? Sure, it didn't replace the global monetary system, but it seems to be a proven technology now. And sure, it had its crashes, but BTC is up 112% over 1Y, and lots of cryptos have legitimate payment purposes.

Re: I recorded a screen capture of a task. Gemini generated code to replicate it

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Post by mjr00 »

dotty- wrote: post #32
xyst wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN also underestimated cryptocurrency craze. Yet years later, it is busted. Seeing the same patterns with AI. Every startup is now incorporating “AI” or “deep learning” or “OpenAI” into their decks/motto/pitch. Have yet to see anything worth using beyond the initial hype. Using AI to me is like learning another programming language. Same shit. Different interface.

Is cryptocurrency busted? Sure, it didn't replace the global monetary system, but it seems to be a proven technology now. And sure, it had its crashes, but BTC is up 112% over 1Y, and lots of cryptos have legitimate payment purposes.

> it seems to be a proven technology now.

Proven to do what exactly? A solution for which problems?

Cryptocurrency had billions invested into it and the most valuable product that came out of it was cartoon apes. There's not a single blockchain that replaced the existing financial system, an area it was supposed to disrupt. There's not a single blockchain in use anywhere in logistics and supply chain, an area the blockchain was allegedly going to revolutionize. There's not a single blockchain being used for identity management by serious enterprises.

Most new technologies are overhyped, but blockchain/cryptocurrency is the only one where you can look back and be astonished at how virtually nothing was created. Its most important lasting contribution to society is providing incontrovertible evidence that just because "thought leaders" and deep-pocketed investors say something is going to change the world, it doesn't make them right.

Re: I recorded a screen capture of a task. Gemini generated code to replicate it

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Post by lowlop »

urbandw311er wrote: post #11

I am really sorry to whinge but is there any way at all to avoid posting links to tweets? Visiting twitter is such a horrible soul destroying experience. I can’t work out how to full screen the video if it’s even possible. The resolution on the video is too poor for me to be able to read the code. There are ads and troll comments everywhere. It seems to want me to create an account. It’s just horrific. Is there reall…

Just press the X in the top right corner

Re: I recorded a screen capture of a task. Gemini generated code to replicate it

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Post by saurik »

eden_hazard wrote: post #3

I feel like most engineers on hackernews/reddit have been underestimating AI tech. People always say it sucks and it gets starts hallucinating nonexistent libraries and what not but we are still in the early phase of this technology. And that how it could never replace them as AI will make current engineers more efficient. I've been scared of AI since seeing chatgbt a couple of years ago. I feel like it's only a matt…

If you can automate my job--and I maintain we not only aren't there yet even but still won't be even if you make it so I never have to write another line of "syntax" ever again (as that isn't now and never was the job of a programmer)--you clearly can automate the jobs of most of the value chain above me, all the way up to the limited partners at the VC firms being paid management fees to pick portfolio companies... the issue here honestly isn't "programmers will be replaced and y'all are in denial", it is "humanity is going to have a crisis of purpose when capitalism can't figure out what to do with an entire civilization of meatbags that suddenly become cost in-effective for most any purpose" and I don't know what you expect anyone to do about that other than like, stock weapons or whatever (as there simply aren't enough jobs doing skilled physical labor to absorb enough people that betting on civilization feels like it makes sense) :/.

Re: I recorded a screen capture of a task. Gemini generated code to replicate it

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

booleandilemma wrote: post #26
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Just learn to do plumbing bro." Seriously, the demand for skilled handymen in the cities is insane as people can't do shit anymore. As per the South Park episode, you have to treat them well if you want them to pick up the phone or return your calls.

Think of how nice the world would be if we treated everyone well regardless of how much we needed them.

Of course. Blue collar work has always been discredited in the past few decades since if you were doing it you were seen as the one who failed to get in to college. How many devs did you ever see greeting the cleaning staff?

Unfortunately your status in society and the way you get treated comes from how much money your profession makes. SW devs were also not very popular until google and meta started the bidding war.

Re: I recorded a screen capture of a task. Gemini generated code to replicate it

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Post by twobitshifter »

eden_hazard wrote: post #3

I feel like most engineers on hackernews/reddit have been underestimating AI tech. People always say it sucks and it gets starts hallucinating nonexistent libraries and what not but we are still in the early phase of this technology. And that how it could never replace them as AI will make current engineers more efficient. I've been scared of AI since seeing chatgbt a couple of years ago. I feel like it's only a matt…

I would extend that from engineer to knowledge professionals in general. Our specialized tools, strange syntaxes, and invented worlds of code may shield us somewhat, but when you just want expertise and opinion typed out? That’s firmly in the LLM ballpark. LLMs are starting to nail memorization with perfect recall, beating humans. My own memories are always fuzzy and I need emails and notes and books to help me along. An LLM won’t need all that and even if it did it can access all of that much quicker than I.

Re: I recorded a screen capture of a task. Gemini generated code to replicate it

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Post by dotty- »

mjr00 wrote: post #33
dotty- wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is cryptocurrency busted? Sure, it didn't replace the global monetary system, but it seems to be a proven technology now. And sure, it had its crashes, but BTC is up 112% over 1Y, and lots of cryptos have legitimate payment purposes.

> it seems to be a proven technology now. Proven to do what exactly? A solution for which problems? Cryptocurrency had billions invested into it and the most valuable product that came out of it was cartoon apes. There's not a single blockchain that replaced the existing financial system, an area it was supposed to disrupt. There's not a single blockchain in use anywhere in logistics and supply chain, an area the blo…

Whether or not you agree with the greater philosophical goal of Bitcoin, Bitcoin proved the ability to create a system of value using basically just cryptography and with a built-in reward system to incentivize the decentralization of the network -- and it grew enough that it can now operate as a standalone method of payment. It's an amazing feat.

Snowden is correct here: https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1759304612664779247

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