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An 'education legend' has created an AI that will change your mind about AI

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Re: An 'education legend' has created an AI that will change your mind about AI

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Post by anon22981 »

latency-guy2 wrote: post #24
juniperror wrote: post #12

> and never coughs up answers. I have fought this my whole life, and only in my adulthood, and self guided learning, have I found the freedom to accept it: I learn better from being given the answer and working backwards. (Even literally reading textbooks “backwards”) I hope there’s more nuance to this than this quote suggests, because I shudder to imagine a student experiencing what I did but now with a tireless une…

> Aligning digital teachers with our broken education system that thinks “answers” are the important part of education is a terrible terrible idea. Your position is inherently incorrect and a conflation of what you think is being done. Being provided the answer might be a decent method to learning X concept. But the answer is ALWAYS downwind of the techniques, which you are actually being taught every step of the way…

I hope you are not an education professional with a view that narrow-minded.

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Post by pixl97 »

itronitron wrote: post #38
patcon wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel for you, but I would humbly suggest trying to get to the root of this. In all sincerity, therapy is good for this sort of thing. I have similar desires, but I have come to understand them as quite dysfunctional, and not something that should be catered to by the system around me. Because the real/natural world doesn't work that way. it's very ill-adapted to real life learning. Only in a constructed and false e…

>> Because the real/natural world doesn't work that way. it's very ill-adapted to real life learning. Actually, the real/natural world is perfectly adapted to real life learning.

Which is why science was formed shortly after people become intelligent...

Re: An 'education legend' has created an AI that will change your mind about AI

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Post by BatFastard »

adolph wrote: post #6

Discover a new way to learn, powered by AI Khanmigo is your always-available tutor on just about every topic. Now just $4/month.* [0] 0. https://www.khanmigo.ai/

Interesting that they use a math problem on the home page, the one area it is not good at.

Re: An 'education legend' has created an AI that will change your mind about AI

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Post by beambot »

nicklecompte wrote: post #33

God this first paragraph made me want to throw my computer across the room: > Remember when people were furious about kids using ChatGPT to cheat on their homework? If I may be so bold as to psychoanalyze the United States of America, it’s possible the hysteria was not entirely about homework but also the speed with which artificial intelligence was infiltrating our daily lives. How else do you explain so many people…

Meanwhile, I spend a non-trivial amount of time every week deflecting questions that could reasonably be solved by a well-crafted Google query...

Schools would be much better off fostering curiosity, self-reliance, tool use, and practical problem solving rather than the all-too-common busy work. So I can relate to what they're saying (to a degree) about AI.

This acutely reminds me of the transition from basic calculators & lookup tables to scientific calculators to graphing calculators to mathematica/maple. At every step, people said "that's cheating". Now we just accept them as tools. Life moves on.

Re: An 'education legend' has created an AI that will change your mind about AI

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Post by ska »

wdh505 wrote: post #50
mjr00 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay. How, specifically, does AI help with any of that?

1) Transcript of the patient and doctor conversation. 2) Creation of possible icd10 diagnosis and treatment codes from the transcript. With suggestions of which ones are most likely to be properly processed the first time per the insurance company of this patient. 3) Quick review of the transcripts of previous visits to determine if there are any overriding concerning trends for this patient. 4) suggested additional…

Eh, on the surface this seems useful but I'm not sure it makes a dent. Transcript might be useful occasionally, but they aren't going to be referred to often - things still have to be distilled in the doctors notes, including things they don't say during the visit. They already have dictation systems for this, but none of the NLP systems are good enough to do it without checking, so time is about same.

Coding isn't done by the doctor anyway. Replacing a fairly low paid employee with a bot might net out but it's not obvious.

Then on the diagnostic stuff, we've been working on this for decades, I think there is real promise there but it's not a quick fix either for getting the system performance good enough to deploy more widely than e.g. CAD systems, and for getting systemic uptake. They aren't nearly good enough yet, we'll see what the next decade of improvements gets us.

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Post by julienchastang »

swatcoder wrote: post #42
julienchastang wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've done a lot of experimentation in this space with ChatGPT4 and also the Wolfram plugin. I've mixed but generally good results when working through basic physics problems though you have to be careful about how you prompt. In particular, you want to break down the problem into smaller bite size chunks and eliminate ancillary information. Interestingly, even when it gets the math and algebra wrong, I still find it…

That doesn't sound anything like a product suited for young learners, many of whom are unprepared to practice the finesse you're talking about and many of whom will want to put no more effort in than strictly necessary. That sounds like something an especially patient autodidact might use to automate some busy work or help them explore the basics of a new topic, which is fine, but not what the article is trying to ch…

I believe your insights are accurate. Nevertheless, in the age of AI, it's evident that critical thinking remains indispensable. The value of a liberal arts education, which fosters the age-old practice of intellectual scrutiny, cannot be overstated, LLMs or not.

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

nicklecompte wrote: post #33

God this first paragraph made me want to throw my computer across the room: > Remember when people were furious about kids using ChatGPT to cheat on their homework? If I may be so bold as to psychoanalyze the United States of America, it’s possible the hysteria was not entirely about homework but also the speed with which artificial intelligence was infiltrating our daily lives. How else do you explain so many people…

This comment is confusing. Did the 45-year-old cheat when they were 13.

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Post by ArekDymalski »

pton_xd wrote: post #21

AI for improved education is noble, but what's the point of learning when AIs are going to do everything better than us in a few years? I already struggle with some intellectual laziness after subscribing to GPT4, which is fairly out of character for me. Why should I expend the mental energy on something when it can do the task for me? Now imagine GPT5, 6, and so on. People who "learn" are going to become a rarity.

I wonder why this comment has been downvoted. IMHO it's a legitimate concern. We already see first symptoms of this incelectual laziness. People using navigation apps for the simplest routes and getting lost or even killed due to over-reliance. Programmers who replaced probem solving with Google/Stack Overflow searches. Polce officers using apps instead of critical and analytical thinking and simple leg-work. And so long ...

Re: An 'education legend' has created an AI that will change your mind about AI

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Post by nicklecompte »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #57
nicklecompte wrote: post #33

God this first paragraph made me want to throw my computer across the room: > Remember when people were furious about kids using ChatGPT to cheat on their homework? If I may be so bold as to psychoanalyze the United States of America, it’s possible the hysteria was not entirely about homework but also the speed with which artificial intelligence was infiltrating our daily lives. How else do you explain so many people…

This comment is confusing. Did the 45-year-old cheat when they were 13.

There are three distinct "voices" in my comment:

- the first line is me, being so annoyed at the article that I want to destroy a laptop

- the blockquote is a quote from the article itself, including a really dumb, condescending rhetorical device about "sanctity of homework"

- the part in quotation marks is mocking the author

Re: An 'education legend' has created an AI that will change your mind about AI

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Post by nicklecompte »

beambot wrote: post #54
nicklecompte wrote: post #33

God this first paragraph made me want to throw my computer across the room: > Remember when people were furious about kids using ChatGPT to cheat on their homework? If I may be so bold as to psychoanalyze the United States of America, it’s possible the hysteria was not entirely about homework but also the speed with which artificial intelligence was infiltrating our daily lives. How else do you explain so many people…

Meanwhile, I spend a non-trivial amount of time every week deflecting questions that could reasonably be solved by a well-crafted Google query... Schools would be much better off fostering curiosity, self-reliance, tool use, and practical problem solving rather than the all-too-common busy work. So I can relate to what they're saying (to a degree) about AI. This acutely reminds me of the transition from basic calcula…

We don't "accept them as tools" in all academic contexts! In many cases using a TI-89 in a calculus class truly is cheating. Likewise with using ChatGPT in an English class.
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