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Hey Paydirt: Your Site Works Just Fine In IE

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Re: Hey Paydirt: Your Site Works Just Fine In IE

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Post by spqr »

chris_wot wrote: post #136
mattmanser wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh god, we might as well start asking why FF didn't support ellipse for what seems like decades. Everyone has different release schedules. IE is a lot more conservative because they support enterprise who are mighty touchy. Grow The Fuck Up Cry Baby. I'm all for IE6 and IE7 whining, they suck. I'm even for IE8 and the entire stop at XP whining. Damn MS for that. But you just sound like a total privileged prat who doe…

You're equating ellipses with things like websockets? Can someone either downvoted or kill this? I've never seen such an abusive and horrid comment on Hacker News!

Please reference, "Grow the fuck up, crybaby". It seems you missed that in the post you replied to.

Re: Hey Paydirt: Your Site Works Just Fine In IE

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Post by HaloZero »

Paydirt is within it's full rights not to support IE9 when it's customer base doesn't really use it.

The problem is that the author notices most things work (border radius) but doesn't realize that IE9 is missing stuff we expect modern browsers to be able to support. Placeholder text and simple gradients are both not supported very well and that takes time and effort to build into your product. It's not about 90%, it's about getting that last 10% to work just right so the experience is clean and smooth for everyone involved.

IE10 might be another story, but last time I checked IE10 isn't out yet. But it seems to me that Microsoft is always one step behind.

Re: Hey Paydirt: Your Site Works Just Fine In IE

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Post by noveltyaccount »

gebe wrote: post #132
snowwrestler wrote: post #84

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Honest question, and I promise I'm not trying to be antagonistic: why do that to yourself? Why not Chrome or Safari or even Firefox? Why keep using Opera at all?

I am an Opera user as well but I really tried to do the Chrome switch when I got a new laptop and decided on a fresh install of everything. I was thinking that it might be time to begin a new chapter in my personal browser-history-life and hop on the Chrome bandwagon. It didn't take more than a day or two until I got drawn back to Opera though. I know it's just mostly/only about "old habits die hard" but I just feel…

Ctrl + Shift + T in Chrome to un-close a tab.

Re: Hey Paydirt: Your Site Works Just Fine In IE

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Post by underwater »

irahul wrote: post #27
brlewis wrote: post #2

This may be schadenfreude, but as someone who's been around the web a long time, it really tickles me to see Microsoft have to fake their user agent string to get around an arbitrary browser restriction. Other browsers used to fake the IE user agent string. I suppose it's full circle since IE originally had to pose as Netscape's browser (Mozilla compatible).

The arbitrary restriction(not browsers; explicitly placed by the developers) is there to ensure people don't see a broken version. I don't know about the recent IE versions, but earlier versions needed won't center align when I say `margin: 0 auto`(have to do a text-align: center then reset it in child container), have a different boxing model, doesn't support min-height, won't support hover on all elements etc etc.…

It takes five seconds with Google to discover why centering doesn't work. Hint: you're probably missing a doctype declaration.

If you're thinking of blocking multiple versions of a browser because of your own lack of knowledge then perhaps you're in the wrong industry. We went through this ten years ago. It was a bad idea then and it's bad idea now.

Re: Hey Paydirt: Your Site Works Just Fine In IE

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Post by underwater »

HaloZero wrote: post #142

Paydirt is within it's full rights not to support IE9 when it's customer base doesn't really use it. The problem is that the author notices most things work (border radius) but doesn't realize that IE9 is missing stuff we expect modern browsers to be able to support. Placeholder text and simple gradients are both not supported very well and that takes time and effort to build into your product. It's not about 90%, it…

What kind of site needs gradient support to be usable? Placeholders are bad for usability too; your shouldn't be relying on them.

Re: Hey Paydirt: Your Site Works Just Fine In IE

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Post by jongalloway2 »

jneen wrote: post #77
FuzzyDunlop wrote: post #73

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ievms[1] aims to make testing IE on a non-Windows box less complicated (it depends on VirtualBox). [1] https://github.com/xdissent/ievms

That sounds useful. This gets me though: > The VMs provided by Microsoft will not pass the Windows Genuine Advantage and cannot be activated. I mean, there's a workaround, but where's the love from Microsoft? Don't they want me to be able to test on their browser so my sites will support it?

Windows 7 (and Windows Server 2008) have had a supported option to extend the evaluation period to 120+ days. This has been around since 2007.

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/01/extending-the-windo...

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/vista-hands-on-9-use-vista-fo...

Re: Hey Paydirt: Your Site Works Just Fine In IE

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Post by jongalloway2 »

jneen wrote: post #72

If I, as a developer, decide my site supports a browser, I know I'm going to have to spend some time doing QA on that browser. Standards are cool, but I've run into enough FF and Chrome bugs that I always test. That being said, the cost of testing in IE is waaay higher than the cost of testing in FF and Chrome. Why? Because FF and Chrome are cross-platform, I and my fellow developers can test on our OS of choice. Wit…

VirtualBox natively supports VHD format, so stop shaving those yaks.

Where is that $300 coming from? You run VirtualBox on your computer (free), install free VHD's (free), and free the free free with your free free (free).

Re: Hey Paydirt: Your Site Works Just Fine In IE

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Post by martindale »

rpeden wrote: post #124
mistercow wrote: post #94

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There is no double standard. If any single browser had the marketshare that IE had in its heyday, it would be irresponsible and anticompetitive for them to implement nonstandard features. But marketshare is spread much more evenly among the players today, so it's pretty much understood that a production site cannot rely on a browser-specific feature. Hell, most people don't even rely on modern standard features becau…

Weren't , , , and experimental, non-standard features added by Netscape? Due to Netscape's dominance, everyone ended up implementing them. I'm not saying non-standard features are always a good idea...but is everyone always waited around for standards bodies to come up with new things, we'd never see any new features.

I understand this as <img>, <li>, <ul>, and <ol>. Is that accurate?
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