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Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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The crappification of YouTube has already begon with Shorts and the inability to disable this completely useless content.

If you click the X on the Shorts section it says "We will hide Shorts for 30 days" How about you hide them forever? Some MBA must have decided that it would not be good for their KPI if people could just ignore the clickbait.

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Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Youtube is a mirror, it shows you more of what you watch (at least most of the time.) If you can't resist the temptation of clicking on clickbait/trash, it will show more of that to you. How to use youtube: 1. Log out, clear your cookies or clear your watch history. 2. Turn off autoplay. 3. Search for a few high quality videos/channels you have seen before, to seed the recommendation algorithm. I use the "Applied Sci…

I just fail to find much of the content interesting. TV for me is 99% news, sports, or traditional entertainment (Internationally known example: "Jeopardy", just for the sake of discussion). I find YouTube just isn't geared for this. I mean I have lots of narrow interests, but I don't want to watch a 1 hour video of someone discussing the latest stuff in my area of interest no matter how good it is. Because the peopl…

Note, this is all from a US perspective.

FWIW, YouTube TV, the paid subscription package, has what you're looking for. If you wanted to watch an episode of some cable or local news broadcast, you can do that. Pick your flavor: Fox, CNN, MSNBC, Fox Business, HLN, PBS News, local affiliates, etc. It is practically just cable TV on the internet. Want to watch Game Show Network and watch endless shows like Jeopardy and Deal or No Deal or whatever, it is there. Lots of sports-centric TV channels as well, but not all regional sports networks are available (at least last time I checked).

Some news channels do offer more traditional news segments on regular YT. NBC News and ABC News offer a 24/7 live stream and often makes entire episodes available.

https://www.youtube.com/@NBCNews

https://www.youtube.com/@ABCNews

PBS NewsHour offers full episodes on traditional YT as well and are usually live during notable events and during their broadcast times.

https://www.youtube.com/@PBSNewsHour

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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For now that is. I sort of hope someone more motivated than myself makes a timer for how long before the crappification* of YouTube begins now that it appears MBAs will be taking over. The new CEO probably has some gumption, but it seems inevitable. * of course this is subjective, but generally I can find lots of great YouTube content. I can buy premium to avoid the ads and become the client, not the product. 1: http…

The crappification of YouTube has already begon with Shorts and the inability to disable this completely useless content.

fwiw I turned off history and all the recommendations settings, and now they hide the shorts and frontpage recs

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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I know it's silly but I sometimes feel anxiety at the prospect of that enormous bank of knowledge getting lost in some way or another (e.g. Google deciding it wants to do something else or some disaster). It is truly invaluable to _humanity_

youtube is doing it's best to now hobble search functionality on youtube, which is already a disaster from a discoverablity perspective. not to mention the huge amount of content that gets deleted due to claims of all kinda of nonsense and other bogus reports and faulty automated detection.

Is there something new they are doing to hobble it (your use of the word "now" suggests so)?

The last things I can think of they did to ruin it is surfacing Shorts and "you may also like" results, but the results themselves were completely broken for many years now (my favourite is when doing a search within a channel, looking for e.g. "Let's play Factorio Episode 98" which will return episodes 97,98 and 101, but not 98 no matter how far you scroll down in the results. If you want to find episode 98, naturally you should search for episode 99 and then it will appear).

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On the page for a channel, click the Videos 'tab' to see list of the channels videos ordered by most recent.

Doesn’t look like the big broadcasters/news sites want me to use YouTube “as TV” judging by what I see. It’s just clips not programs. BBC for example has some news stories but no news broadcasts. The curation is what I want. A big important story should take more time of the broadcast. I don’t want to choose what story I’m interested in I want someone to do it for me. That’s the difference between a news program and…

Old media corporations have never used Youtube well. But people aren't "replacing TV with youtube" by watching that old media content on Youtube; rather they're not watching that old sort of content at all and now watch the new style of media, mostly done by individual "creators" or a few new-media saavy corps. The remaining audience for old media corps, NBC/etc, are nursing home residents or soon to be.

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My experience is much closer to parent than yours, and I don't use any third party app. Yes, I have paid. And no, I'm not "just a sufficiently light user". That's pretty dismissive actually. The official app sucks, and the desperate Shorts push is annoying at best. Shorts are injected into the search, and search is otherwise as bad as discussed. On the bottom menu/bar, the five things are "Home", "Shorts", the plus/c…

> And no, I'm not "just a sufficiently light user". That's pretty dismissive actually. Apologies, certainly not intentional. I've just observed users in the past who just don't use the product much and as a result have recommendations that are much closer to what I see when I open YouTube in an incognito tab with no history. This is all fair criticism. I do (now) use Shorts, although I resisted for a long time. I act…

It's just annoying, and by no means unique to YT. Companies forcing changes upon users, it's going to be adversarial - especially for people who do use it a lot.

People do watch shorts, of course. I can see it can be a good fit on phones, even if it isn't for me. I can also see not wanting to shaft creators who put effort into shorts.

Where it falls down is the heavy-handed, passive-aggressive thing of "ok, we'll hide shorts for 30" (in this view only though). My UI criticism is more that for "normal" videos, you'd use home and subscriptions the most, right? So sandwiching stuff between that just feels like they're trying to make you mis-tap on purpose. Maybe Google engineers don't use bumpy public transport? (Or other one-handed scenarios.)

Possibly, this is all a projection of the main worry - especially for paying users: If they are willing to degrade the long-form video experience, or at least show little consideration, what does the future of that look like?

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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It's replaced what was traditional TV in our home. We watch movies, and youtube as if it were tv. Old TV is now either 24 hour garbage news, reality shows, or similar nonesense.

> Old TV is now either 24 hour garbage news, reality shows, or similar nonesense Take a look at YouTube's trending page. There's clearly a reason for that content on TV.

The horrors you’ll see when you visit youtube in incognito

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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> YouTube has reached a few other milestones in recent months, including the 100 million users who pay for YouTube Music and YouTube Premium.

Purchase price parity based pricing of YouTube premium according to the country is awesome, in comparision to other services like Spotify, X. Thats one main reason for engaged buyout.

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Doesn’t look like the big broadcasters/news sites want me to use YouTube “as TV” judging by what I see. It’s just clips not programs. BBC for example has some news stories but no news broadcasts. The curation is what I want. A big important story should take more time of the broadcast. I don’t want to choose what story I’m interested in I want someone to do it for me. That’s the difference between a news program and…

Old media corporations have never used Youtube well. But people aren't "replacing TV with youtube" by watching that old media content on Youtube; rather they're not watching that old sort of content at all and now watch the new style of media, mostly done by individual "creators" or a few new-media saavy corps. The remaining audience for old media corps, NBC/etc, are nursing home residents or soon to be.

Yeah even I (an old fart who prefers linear broadcast to anything where I need to click) is consuming a lot of online video content. I like YouTube for learning how to play a song on guitar, tech content, learning how to repair a gadget and so on. But I do this on my phone, perhaps on the bus. Hell, I often do it while watching TV. I'm not surprised YouTube is huge, but this article says that YouTube is big on television screens. And that surprises me.

My big TV I use mostly for watching something together with others - at least with others in the same room - and that's hard with YouTube. Too much to choose from/too niche, and 5 minute intervals between having to choose something. But this article suggests it's something people actually do these days (or perhaps it's "watching together with others" that's also dying in this process? The stats don't say).

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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omg nebula is incredible. i just subbed like 2 months ago and i feel like ive been guzzling from a firehouse.

I’ve always been a bit unsure of what to make of nebula. A lot of content is low effort edu-taintainment that seems to be little more than Wikipedia in video form. More original and higher integrity creators like Veritasium, CGP Grey, Engineering explained don’t seem to be involved (actually I think CGP was but left without an explaination). Maybe this is just a fundamental problem of bundling. It makes more sense fo…

What I like about Nebula is that when I am using it I feel like they aren't trying to coerse me into anything. They don't push me to watch the next video, they don't push me to comment, like or subscribe, they don't push new channels or features on me. I just subscribe to the RSS feed of channels that I like, watch the video and leave.

I think there enough decent quality channels (many that I was following on YouTube before anyways) that it is definitely worth my subscription.

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