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YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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How much do you use YouTube? Because as a fairly substantial user, this doesn't match my experience at all. When I wasn't watching Shorts they were present but not in-your-face. Search pretty much always returns exactly what I'm looking for, there's no clickbait except for the low level of clickbait that the channels I like use... I pay not to have ads, but that's about it. Honestly, I really enjoy it. The app could…

My experience is much closer to parent than yours, and I don't use any third party app. Yes, I have paid. And no, I'm not "just a sufficiently light user". That's pretty dismissive actually. The official app sucks, and the desperate Shorts push is annoying at best. Shorts are injected into the search, and search is otherwise as bad as discussed. On the bottom menu/bar, the five things are "Home", "Shorts", the plus/c…

> And no, I'm not "just a sufficiently light user". That's pretty dismissive actually.

Apologies, certainly not intentional. I've just observed users in the past who just don't use the product much and as a result have recommendations that are much closer to what I see when I open YouTube in an incognito tab with no history.

This is all fair criticism. I do (now) use Shorts, although I resisted for a long time. I actually get very different videos on Shorts to my regular watching, and it found what I wanted pretty quickly.

I get that the weight of the app judging by the nav bar is partially shorts and uploading, but home/subs/profile would I think be valuable to you? They certainly are to me (for playlists/downloads access in profile for example). And then many other users do use Shorts and uploading, so this doesn't feel too out of balance. Instagram having a "shop" tab, or WhatsApp having an "updates" tab are similarly of little use to me, but I understand why the products have them and don't begrudge there being users who use the product in different ways.

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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It's replaced what was traditional TV in our home. We watch movies, and youtube as if it were tv. Old TV is now either 24 hour garbage news, reality shows, or similar nonesense.

There are two modes of watching TV in my opinion: intentional and casual Intentional: look for a certain show/movie, e.g. the weekly episode of House MD, Lost, Friends, HBO, ... -> This is the streaming war between Netflix, HBO, Disney, ... Casual: You turn on the tv with the aim to just browse around and relax, and get something accidentally interesting/amusing -> Youtube is king and more or less the only option her…

I watch things on Youtube intentionally. Right now I'm watching That UK Sound[1]. There are many more things worth watching intentionally on Youtube then there are on Netflix, HBO and Disney together. There's nothing like 3Blue1Brown on these.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlCEg4hCa1LHLLYk4KQQI...

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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I’ve always been a bit unsure of what to make of nebula. A lot of content is low effort edu-taintainment that seems to be little more than Wikipedia in video form. More original and higher integrity creators like Veritasium, CGP Grey, Engineering explained don’t seem to be involved (actually I think CGP was but left without an explaination). Maybe this is just a fundamental problem of bundling. It makes more sense fo…

The original founder's list was Dave Wiskus (current CEO), CGP Grey, and a guy behind Kurzgesagt, but yes, the latter two distanced themselves pretty quickly. I don't think there's a single even semi-popular edu-tainment channel that wasn't at least approached by Nebula, but of course not every creator is interested. If I had to guess why, I'd say it's a tradeoff between Patreon/Nebula. You can have both, but you can…

Youtube itself is getting so good at monetization, with more people getting Premium, that it's no longer worth it to pursue other channels at all.

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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I think there is much more information on the internet in written format though. Which I personally find a lot more accessible as well. I always find video really slow and not very information dense, I don't have the patience for it. I get frustrated with the slow delivery whereas I can consume written text at my own speed. Skipping video works of course but I constantly have to "resync" my mind after a skip which ha…

> I always find video really slow and not very information dense That always depends on the actual "information". Some stuff is "better" in written form, other things need audio and for other video is neccesary. Trivial thing is needing audio to e.g. hear music (yes, even if I can read musical notation) or pronunciation, intonation and accentuation of words or videos of physical "movement" in sports, crafts and art (…

Even with programming, videos are better to learn how to use GUIs like VS Code and Chrome Dev Tools.

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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I can’t stand how they shove YouTube Shorts down our throats and don’t give us a way to disable that. I am a huge fan of YouTube overall and have been happy to pay to have an ad-free experience

If you go to the website, you can hide Shorts for 30 days. There is an X on the top right for the Shorts section. I do that and don’t feel like it’s being forced into my face anymore.

Not from search results.

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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I can’t stand how they shove YouTube Shorts down our throats and don’t give us a way to disable that. I am a huge fan of YouTube overall and have been happy to pay to have an ad-free experience

There are extensions to hide the Shorts. I’ve been using one for a month now and it’s been great.

There's even one featured on the chrome web store: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/hide-youtube-shorts...

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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> I just want to watch shows/films/content that I heard people recommend to me (not algorithms - people). How do you even start doing that on youtube? I don’t understand your question. You talk with people you care about, they tell you what they recommend and then you use the search bar to locate the content and watch it. This is so obviously the answer to your question that I am worried I am misunderstanding you in…

I think their point is that discovery for authentic content is really awful which is true. The homepage never shows me subscriptions, there's a gigantic amount of shorts. The subscription page itself has no way to group or find anything and it also shoves shorts in your face. The Youtube UI is actually so bad and Tiktok-ified that I just use Feedly to follow individual channels and avoid the website. Even creators ta…

Not only that: also long-form curated content at all. If I watch TV (Here "TV" means I'm in a couch, there is a big screen I'm often surrounded by other people) then I don't want 3 minute bits of content or extremely niche personal content. I want the general sports/news/entertainment stuff that a group of people can enjoy. Everyone already sits with their phones and watches video content. But that's not TV. That's my personal video content consumption. What I'm talking about is something for passive consumption on a big screen. That's TV. Linear broadcast TV does this well. Netflix does it too. But I struggle to use YouTube for this.

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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>The far-right. All the others seem to love this practice. Thank you democracy, you're useless. If you poll the voters, and the non-far-right voters generally approve of this, then democracy is working as intended. Just because you don't like the results doesn't mean the majority of your countrymen don't.

Its not that simple. Since the only party opposing this practice is far-right and mostly non-votable, nobody in their right mind has the option to vote for a party which does not support this practice. That is when democracy fails. When all the parties team up to support something they want done, and the people basically have no option to vote against.

Surely the option, if you live somewhere with a reasonably plural system, is to run for office and see if anyone else cares about this issue sufficiently?

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Youtube is a mirror, it shows you more of what you watch (at least most of the time.) If you can't resist the temptation of clicking on clickbait/trash, it will show more of that to you. How to use youtube: 1. Log out, clear your cookies or clear your watch history. 2. Turn off autoplay. 3. Search for a few high quality videos/channels you have seen before, to seed the recommendation algorithm. I use the "Applied Sci…

I just fail to find much of the content interesting. TV for me is 99% news, sports, or traditional entertainment (Internationally known example: "Jeopardy", just for the sake of discussion). I find YouTube just isn't geared for this. I mean I have lots of narrow interests, but I don't want to watch a 1 hour video of someone discussing the latest stuff in my area of interest no matter how good it is. Because the peopl…

Sounds like you just want an endless feed of traditional TV. I suggest you talk to younger people because this is not how they generally consume content anymore, and that is the target audience for YouTube and why the traditional content on YouTube is corralled into a small walled section sandwiched between vast swaths of algorithmic suggested content.
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