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How smart do you have to be to get a degree?

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Re: How smart do you have to be to get a degree?

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> Among major European nations, who’s the most trustworthy? [...] The answer depends on who you ask. In Poland, the Germans seem to have been selected as both "Most Trustworthy" and "Least Trustworthy".

Not unsurprising considering that the Germans are good solid neighbors but the populistic agenda is demanding WWII reparations from Germany and making them the culprit for a lot of European decisions.

Re: How smart do you have to be to get a degree?

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We can argue about the degree holders of yesteryear or we can look forward to a more fair and equitable future for the degree holders of tomorrow. Seattle high schoolers were told that “Worship of the Written Word” is white supremacy Before you yell at me about this tidbit or similar rumblings about "knowledge of math" understand that: 1) I've confirmed this off-line first hand with actual parents (who are frankly, b…

Dear mods this comment is not flagged and has upvotes I am asking for public clarification why you pinned it to the bottom.

Re: How smart do you have to be to get a degree?

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Getting a degree is more than just being intellectually smart. Many smart folk can't apply themselves as they get bored easily so fail their courses. A degree requires application, endurance, and stamina. It's not a sprint but a marathon applies here I feel. A sprinter is the intellectually smart person in most cases.

Re: How smart do you have to be to get a degree?

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post #75

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Armchair anecdote: I have a high IQ, and I fall into that same trap when it comes to game development. It's something I dabble in, and every game idea I come up with that I can reasonably actually complete feels like it's far too simple. But I look at the market and there are tons of games that are that simple that have actually sold copies, so I should just do one of them and get started. But something in me refuses…

I have a similar issue, and discovered that in reality intelligence can help mask the significant downsides of ADHD. People take this to mean ADHD is a signal of intelligence, but conversely it's that successful people with ADHD tend to be quite good at masking. If I were in your shoes today I would seriously consider talking to a mental health professional, since self-diagnosis is no diagnosis and ultimately seeking…

I’ll be honest I read their comment and thought “that sure sounds like ADHD to me”. But then again, it’s hard to say what you even do with a diagnosis, and I’m not sure I even recommend formalizing it.

For me, the stimulant prescription was a bad idea. Too much addictive/abuse potential. I know it’s not everyone’s experience, but to me it’s easier to just solve the day to day problems without labeling it as a disorder or bringing medication into the mix.

Re: How smart do you have to be to get a degree?

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post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a similar issue, and discovered that in reality intelligence can help mask the significant downsides of ADHD. People take this to mean ADHD is a signal of intelligence, but conversely it's that successful people with ADHD tend to be quite good at masking. If I were in your shoes today I would seriously consider talking to a mental health professional, since self-diagnosis is no diagnosis and ultimately seeking…

I’ll be honest I read their comment and thought “that sure sounds like ADHD to me”. But then again, it’s hard to say what you even do with a diagnosis, and I’m not sure I even recommend formalizing it. For me, the stimulant prescription was a bad idea. Too much addictive/abuse potential. I know it’s not everyone’s experience, but to me it’s easier to just solve the day to day problems without labeling it as a disorde…

Medication is not necessarily the answer: In this we agree, formalising it helps because only when we understand do we have the language and tools to properly address the issue. In my case I was burning myself out because I was guilt-tripping on my “lazy” behaviours.

ADHD is definitely overmedicated in my opinion, however what you often find is that ADHD people (especially those good at masking) are self medicating with caffeine.

Cognitive Behavioural Therapy is the most likely outcome of a formal diagnosis. Theres no quick wins with that but its the more sustainable way for the majority of people.

Re: How smart do you have to be to get a degree?

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Throwaway: I have a PhD in CS, and I wouldn't describe myself as very intelligent. Maybe slightly above average. I am constantly amazed at how quickly others in my team can understand extremely complex mathematical problems in a few seconds. I would need at least an hour of quiet thinking, and I struggled a lot with the mathematical aspects of my PhD. But I did work my ass off for 5 years (mostly out of curiosity, th…

Armchair anecdote: I have a high IQ, and I fall into that same trap when it comes to game development. It's something I dabble in, and every game idea I come up with that I can reasonably actually complete feels like it's far too simple. But I look at the market and there are tons of games that are that simple that have actually sold copies, so I should just do one of them and get started. But something in me refuses…

One of the reasons I refuse to get an IQ test is because I don't want to feel too dumb to attempt things or too smart to attempt things.

Re: How smart do you have to be to get a degree?

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Since I've seen both stupid and brilliant people get degrees in technical fields, I'm inclined to say that you don't need to be particularly smart to get one. The corollary to this is that you can't assume a person is smart just because they have a degree.

Re: How smart do you have to be to get a degree?

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Throwaway: I have a PhD in CS, and I wouldn't describe myself as very intelligent. Maybe slightly above average. I am constantly amazed at how quickly others in my team can understand extremely complex mathematical problems in a few seconds. I would need at least an hour of quiet thinking, and I struggled a lot with the mathematical aspects of my PhD. But I did work my ass off for 5 years (mostly out of curiosity, th…

Your insight into what's going on in a head like mine is spot on, and I have wished for a long time that my parents would (ever) have made an effort to put me in rooms where I wasn't the "smartest" person there. When I was young, I was often the least experienced, but throughout school even, it was obvious to me and usually to them that I was smarter than my teachers. It sounds like a humble brag but it's not. It's m…

Why not consider non-intellectual work? Woodworking is a humbling and gratifying experience when it comes to "working harder for things and making incremental progress".

Re: How smart do you have to be to get a degree?

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Doesn't this mean the value of a university degree has increased? If you now have to have a degree just to make it to the 40th percentile of the earning bracket that surely means it is more required than ever, and thus worth more.

The degree is worth what it can "buy". If a generation ago the degree got you to the 20th percentile earning bracket, but today it gets you to the 40th, then that degree is "buying" you less earning power overall. Concrete example: a generation ago you could get your foot in the door at a bank with a high school diploma as a teller. Today? You need a 4-year degree in finance. Further, if you walked into that same ban…

The issue surely though is the comparator.

Your analysis misses the "what can you achieve without a degree?" part of the equation.

Re: How smart do you have to be to get a degree?

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post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Armchair anecdote: I have a high IQ, and I fall into that same trap when it comes to game development. It's something I dabble in, and every game idea I come up with that I can reasonably actually complete feels like it's far too simple. But I look at the market and there are tons of games that are that simple that have actually sold copies, so I should just do one of them and get started. But something in me refuses…

I have a similar issue, and discovered that in reality intelligence can help mask the significant downsides of ADHD. People take this to mean ADHD is a signal of intelligence, but conversely it's that successful people with ADHD tend to be quite good at masking. If I were in your shoes today I would seriously consider talking to a mental health professional, since self-diagnosis is no diagnosis and ultimately seeking…

I would say that I don't have trouble concentrating or getting things done, once I've decided to do them. I have trouble committing to something that I think is sub-optimal. Quite often this means that I don't do that thing until I figure out a better way, and then I'm usually very happy with the result, and I have plenty of concentration and drive for it.

For things that I'm not yet good at, though, that means that I'll basically stall forever rather than do something that's not good. And I know mentally that that's the wrong attitude, but I have a lot of hobbies already, so it's hard to commit time to something that I'll be bad at for a while when I could do something I'm good at.

It's both good and bad, because it means I spend a lot of time succeeding and (somewhat) limit my spending on new hobbies. But it also means I don't stretch my wings as much as I could. Jack of All Trades vs Master of One, and all that. I'm somewhere in the middle.

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