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YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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I used to scoff at the idea of paying for YouTube, but I'd absolutely consider it if they had a cheaper plan that excluded YouTube Music.

I won’t pay for YouTube as long as they keep trying to make Shorts happen. It’s everything I dislike about the Internet in one feature. Edit: Why would this get downvoted? Do people really find value in shorts?

Mostly use it on Android TV... Almost never see shorts as a suggestion. They're there, but I don't really use them or notice much.

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post #87

I enjoy paying and watching Youtube Premium on my TV (through a sideloaded app), but whenever I open the official app on my iPad, I am bombarded with Shorts, every search I make returns clickbait, unrelated content among the real results and that annoys me so much I keep thinking I should stop giving Youtube any money. Google, the bloody search engine company, keeps making sure that every search I make about video ga…

Yup, I'm not sure how anyone uses the standard YouTube app. Even with adverts removed you get bombarded by shorts and nonsense clickbait/disinformation.

I use it currently with a patched Revanced apk which is not logged in (in case Google suddenly take to banning accounts) and some UX tweaks like blocking shorts.

For the couple of channels I actually would like to support in some way I stomach using the official app and give them some ad impressions.

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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post #58

Not just in the USA. YouTube is my only vvideo source. And to add insult to injury, local legislation has it that I have to pay 60E/month for the local, basically state-controlled TV/radio/news station, although I dont consume its content. YouTube, which is what I use daily, only costs about 1/6th of that. Oh, and there is only one democratic party against this practice. The far-right. All the others seem to love thi…

What country is that? That's a lot. At least in the UK if you don't watch regular TV you don't have to pay the licence fee (£159/year).

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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post #83

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If you want any recommandation subscription is needed. I use multiple profile to separate things like more learning focused vs gaming or whatever. Never watch a silly random video in one of those profile.

This sounds like an exhausting amount of work for a paid product

I think this is a somewhat "over engineered" approach. I have a range of interests and don't feel any need to have multiple profiles. YouTube is quite good at understanding what I want.

One way this manifests for example is that I use YouTube at work to listen to concerts in the background while I work, but at home I will almost never listen to music or concerts on YouTube as I'm mostly using it like a TV. Despite the same YouTube profile, my work machine gets mostly concerts in the home feed, and my home machine gets mostly other stuff. There's just enough crossover that I can get into either style of watching on either machine though, and in the rare cases where I have done, YouTube seems to react quickly.

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

#105

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youtube is doing it's best to now hobble search functionality on youtube, which is already a disaster from a discoverablity perspective. not to mention the huge amount of content that gets deleted due to claims of all kinda of nonsense and other bogus reports and faulty automated detection.

It's often all but impossible to find videos from a few years ago. Wanting to show your now adult children a viral video from a decade and a half ago, nowhere to be found. Sometimes it feels like you're gaslighting yourself down a memory hole.

If you really like a video on YouTube and think you might want to see it again in the future one day, you must download it and save it. This really goes for just about anything on the internet. You can't trust that anything will still be there after a few years.

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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post #87

I enjoy paying and watching Youtube Premium on my TV (through a sideloaded app), but whenever I open the official app on my iPad, I am bombarded with Shorts, every search I make returns clickbait, unrelated content among the real results and that annoys me so much I keep thinking I should stop giving Youtube any money. Google, the bloody search engine company, keeps making sure that every search I make about video ga…

How much do you use YouTube? Because as a fairly substantial user, this doesn't match my experience at all. When I wasn't watching Shorts they were present but not in-your-face. Search pretty much always returns exactly what I'm looking for, there's no clickbait except for the low level of clickbait that the channels I like use... I pay not to have ads, but that's about it. Honestly, I really enjoy it. The app could be a little more iOS-ified, but that's a minor gripe.

I wonder if you're just a sufficiently light user that it's not learning your preferences, or, I wonder if much of the personalisation comes from client-side event logging which, by using a third party app, you're skipping, meaning that in many ways your profile is missing data.

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's often all but impossible to find videos from a few years ago. Wanting to show your now adult children a viral video from a decade and a half ago, nowhere to be found. Sometimes it feels like you're gaslighting yourself down a memory hole.

If you really like a video on YouTube and think you might want to see it again in the future one day, you must download it and save it. This really goes for just about anything on the internet. You can't trust that anything will still be there after a few years.

Of course I know that now....I didn't in 2008. ;-)

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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post #97

Those who use youtube as TV, what do you watch? Is there a way of consuming YouTube that is more like consuming Netflix, where the 1% (or 0.001%) that is "professional" content is curated somehow? I mean I have no interest in scrolling videos of people eating detergent, I just want to watch shows/films/content that I heard people recommend to me (not algorithms - people). How do you even start doing that on youtube?…

> I just want to watch shows/films/content that I heard people recommend to me (not algorithms - people). How do you even start doing that on youtube? I don’t understand your question. You talk with people you care about, they tell you what they recommend and then you use the search bar to locate the content and watch it. This is so obviously the answer to your question that I am worried I am misunderstanding you in…

I think their point is that discovery for authentic content is really awful which is true. The homepage never shows me subscriptions, there's a gigantic amount of shorts. The subscription page itself has no way to group or find anything and it also shoves shorts in your face.

The Youtube UI is actually so bad and Tiktok-ified that I just use Feedly to follow individual channels and avoid the website. Even creators talk about this quite often. "ProZD" most recently encouraged people to support him on Patreon because his long form content essentially is algorithm-punished. Apparently only 10% of his views ever come from the subscription page.

I think it's quite telling that the people who make the kind of content that I think the OP is after so heavily encourage people to support them outside of the actual platform.

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

#109

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Depending what value means... I think that shorts do not bring any value, just mindless filler. In my books that has no value. Some might disagree.

I’ve learnt about a lot of things through shorts. It’s not just crap

Mind naming some positive examples? All I get is right-wing political propaganda and "Whatever"-podcast antimodernwomen crap. I would pay to get rid of this blatant negativity.

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

#110

I can’t stand how they shove YouTube Shorts down our throats and don’t give us a way to disable that. I am a huge fan of YouTube overall and have been happy to pay to have an ad-free experience

I don't mind the short videos. What I do mind is that they co-opted the word "shorts" which means something else in the context of videos. https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2024...

Perhaps not: I think your link is talking about "short movies" or "short films". YouTube's Shorts are "short videos". Movies (films) and videos are not the same thing: movies/films are a type of video, but there are many other types of video that are not movies, most notably TV shows, and also "music videos", but really anything that involves a moving picture. A "movie" (or to some, "film") these days is commonly meant to refer to a specific form of art, meaning a visualized stand-alone story that usually takes 1-4 hours to watch, and frequently gets played in a cinema.

Similarly, a "book" is a collection of bound paper pages, but a "novel" is a specific type of book that contains a story, and is usually a certain length (if it's too short, it's called a "short story").

So I think it's ok for YouTube to call their 60-second videos "shorts", as long as they don't call them "short films" or "short movies".

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