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Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Post by TeMPOraL »

k8sToGo wrote: post #37
electriclove wrote: post #16

I can’t stand how they shove YouTube Shorts down our throats and don’t give us a way to disable that. I am a huge fan of YouTube overall and have been happy to pay to have an ad-free experience

If you go to the website, you can hide Shorts for 30 days. There is an X on the top right for the Shorts section. I do that and don’t feel like it’s being forced into my face anymore.

> hide Shorts for 30 days

Is there a name for this fucked up dark pattern of giving users a "choice" only between accepting and accepting couple days or weeks later?

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Post by Timshel »

alkonaut wrote: post #80

Those who use youtube as TV, what do you watch? Is there a way of consuming YouTube that is more like consuming Netflix, where the 1% (or 0.001%) that is "professional" content is curated somehow? I mean I have no interest in scrolling videos of people eating detergent, I just want to watch shows/films/content that I heard people recommend to me (not algorithms - people). How do you even start doing that on youtube?…

If you want any recommandation subscription is needed. I use multiple profile to separate things like more learning focused vs gaming or whatever.

Never watch a silly random video in one of those profile.

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Post by johnfernow »

testplzignore wrote: post #78
troupo wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that Youtube severely nerfed their search (ironic given that Google still pretends it's a search company). Now if you search for something will give you 5 relevant videos, 10 "for you videos" and then an endless list of something it hopes you will engage with, whether relevant or not

I just opened the YouTube app and the first recommended video is "youtube's search function is atrocious now". Their search function may be bad, but the addiction feed is spot on!

Here's the video for anyone curious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3dSkkEr-wk

tl;dw:

First, he searches the exact name of the video on YouTube: it shows a fan-made animated skit of it, the wrong videos but from the right channel, and several re-uploads with only a few hundred views.

Second, he adds the channel name before the name of the video in the search bar. Same results.

Third, he tries searching for a famous line from the video: still no luck.

Finally, he sorts by view count and it shows up, but still not as the first result.

Is this some obscure video from some obscure channel? Nope, the video has 15 million views from a channel with 3.91 million subscribers that uploads videos regularly. He has a verified account which was created in 2006.

I just tried doing the same search as he did in an incognito window, and it also didn't show up for me until I sorted by view count.

I ran it on archive.today, and while it has slightly different results than what I got, nowhere in the search results does it ever show the original video with 15 million views. https://archive.ph/ksZhq

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Post by Timshel »

electriclove wrote: post #16

I can’t stand how they shove YouTube Shorts down our throats and don’t give us a way to disable that. I am a huge fan of YouTube overall and have been happy to pay to have an ad-free experience

Just make a filter to remove the shorts insert.

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Post by k8sToGo »

theshackleford wrote: post #55
k8sToGo wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you go to the website, you can hide Shorts for 30 days. There is an X on the top right for the Shorts section. I do that and don’t feel like it’s being forced into my face anymore.

If I can only hide them and not remove them on a permanent basis, that is the very definition of being forced into my face. "Oh wow, I can not eat the poop whilst I catch my breath. This will be an enjoyable break before I am forced to start eating the poop again"

I agree. But it’s better than nothing. I wish I could also just disable it everywhere.

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Post by sph »

I enjoy paying and watching Youtube Premium on my TV (through a sideloaded app), but whenever I open the official app on my iPad, I am bombarded with Shorts, every search I make returns clickbait, unrelated content among the real results and that annoys me so much I keep thinking I should stop giving Youtube any money.

Google, the bloody search engine company, keeps making sure that every search I make about video game videos, returns totally unrelated clips about very sexualised Twitch streamers ("how is this allowed on Twitch??" with some very prominent cleavage in the thumbnail), or any other thirst bait that has nothing to do with what I have been looking for. Funnily enough, they don't even let you choose "don't recommend this channel" for these results.

I tried clearing my watch history, disliking the video, reporting them, Google doesn't fucking care. They are force-fed to you, hoping every single time you click on it.

Honestly I just wish that company burns to the ground. Literally making their platform as shitty as possible to increase their bottom line. Yes, clickbait works, it does not mean you need to turn the entire place into clickbait. Jesus that makes my blood boil.

I know I could just read a book instead of watching my favorite content creators on the platforms, not all of which are on Nebula. But it takes some effort to create a product that pushes people away from it. Or that they hate themselves for using it.

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Post by tracker1 »

rightbyte wrote: post #53
wkat4242 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there is much more information on the internet in written format though. Which I personally find a lot more accessible as well. I always find video really slow and not very information dense, I don't have the patience for it. I get frustrated with the slow delivery whereas I can consume written text at my own speed. Skipping video works of course but I constantly have to "resync" my mind after a skip which ha…

For some things video is superior though. Like, replacing brake calipers. It is really hard to see what to do on a drawing.

Agreed.. for mechanical and some electrical things, watching video of far more useful. For others, reading is better.

Unlike some, I do appreciate programming videos. It's often helpful to understand concepts with the examples even if you don't recall the precise code or libraries. I'm those cases, it would be nice if more videos had accompanying articles.

I've thought about making some beginner to expert JS/TS content a few times. But no idea if the effort would really be worth it in terms of reach/audience. I've been working on Web based apps since the mid-late 90s. Which is also IMO a hindrance as it's often harder to think in terms of how best to learn things vs the changes over time in practice.

Ironically I also spent about a decade writing in eLearning systems and content. Which taught me it's simply amazing how much you can learn and forget. A couple years ago, realized mid conversation that I couldn't completely explain jet engines anymore. I've learned and forgotten so much domain knowledge that it's hard to express.

There's plenty of more recent stuff floating around.

On TFA subject, I've always enjoyed learning about history/warfare and related tech as well as food and nutrition. Most of my television time is in YouTube. I've recently dropped all other streaming services to cut back on the expense... I use YouTube(+music) way too much to deal with the annoying ads.

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Post by Timshel »

evere wrote: post #35
lastofus wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are extensions to hide the Shorts. I’ve been using one for a month now and it’s been great.

There's no way to disable them in their mobile apps unfortunately without jumping through a couple hoops with something like a PiHole or using an alternative app on Android.

If you are on android just use Newpipe.

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Post by scarab92 »

dacryn wrote: post #28
Jordan-117 wrote: post #19

I used to scoff at the idea of paying for YouTube, but I'd absolutely consider it if they had a cheaper plan that excluded YouTube Music.

It just caused me to stop paying for Spotify. Spotify is clearly better, but Youtube music is really 'good enough'

Same.

Isn’t this behaviour exactly what got Microsoft in anti-trust hot water?

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