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Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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Post by robertlagrant »

alchemist1e9 wrote: post #157
robertlagrant wrote: post #135

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> You're ranting There's no need for this. Marxism seems to be a re-growing school of thought, taking various angles in modern society and culture. No ranting has happened, and your mischaracterisation of things is revealing.

I’d like to mention an interesting phenomenon on HN as you might notice it as well. When I make a pro-libertarian comment I’ll initially get many upvotes, I know this because I refresh HN periodically and so I notice my points go up. Then many hours or even days later I’ll be downvoted heavily and even go negative. I’m not sure what to make of it tbh. Wanted to mention it because now your comment is faded which I thi…

That's interesting. It's only at -1 at time of writing this comment.

But yes, I think there is a set of people - who you can spot by their vocabulary - who think that sawing off the root of the branch that causes us to even be able to develop the advances that we have.

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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Post by pjc50 »

7thaccount wrote: post #153
epolanski wrote: post #151

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Currency was inflated to avoid defaulting on payments on debt. So again, this is really a symptom of a deeper problem.

Regardless, you can't print more Bitcoin. With regards to out of control spending, I think Milei is trying to get that under control. No idea if it'll work though.

You can however still default on debt in Bitcoin. I wonder how that's supposed to work.

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

kragen wrote: post #158
kragen wrote: post #117

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interesting; i hadn't heard about that it looks like there was one in 02018: https://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/es/security/news/vulnerabil... and another one in 02021 which only affected macos users with a non-default configuration https://portswigger.net/daily-swig/git-vulnerability-could-e... and more worryingly two in 02022 https://www.infoq.com/news/2023/01/git-remote-code-vulnerabi... hopefully there aren't any n…

(just to point out what ought to be obvious, this is a vastly lower risk than opening a web page in a browser, in the sense that remote code execution vulnerabilities are found in browsers at a much higher and constantly increasing rate)

I wouldn't be so sure about that, more RCEs are found on browsers because it's just such a popular attack vector. An RCE in git repos could go undetected for far far longer probably.

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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Post by 7thaccount »

littlestymaar wrote: post #155
7thaccount wrote: post #153

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Regardless, you can't print more Bitcoin. With regards to out of control spending, I think Milei is trying to get that under control. No idea if it'll work though.

People are usually being hurt harder by deflation than by inflation though, and it's demonstrably the best way to get overthrown (which usually doesn't happen with inflation) by a lunatic dictator. (Weimar Republic gets a bad rap for its hyperinflation period, but it survived it, and in the end that's Brüning's *deflation* in 1930-32 that caused the eventual demise of the republic and the birth of the 3rd Reich). The…

Agreed that deflation is scary and things can spiral out of control.

Just hyperinflating forever though seems to just be making the pop of the bubble that much worse.

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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Post by kragen »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #163
kragen wrote: post #158

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(just to point out what ought to be obvious, this is a vastly lower risk than opening a web page in a browser, in the sense that remote code execution vulnerabilities are found in browsers at a much higher and constantly increasing rate)

I wouldn't be so sure about that, more RCEs are found on browsers because it's just such a popular attack vector. An RCE in git repos could go undetected for far far longer probably.

the git codebase is roughly 100× smaller than chromium, so, all else being equal, you'd expect 600× more bugs of any kind in chromium — more bugs per day in chromium than bugs per year in git

there are design considerations to consider, but it's not clear to me which way they shift the balance: chromium's sandboxing layer means that you need a sandbox escape, but, on the other hand, chromium intentionally downloads and executes malicious code all the time, and that's inherently riskier than what git does, which is efficiently synchronizing a merkle graph of blobs. it's hard to imagine that this matters more than the sheer size of the codebase, though

chromium's churn rate is also much higher, so the rate of new bug production is higher

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

kragen wrote: post #165
4gotunameagain wrote: post #163

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I wouldn't be so sure about that, more RCEs are found on browsers because it's just such a popular attack vector. An RCE in git repos could go undetected for far far longer probably.

the git codebase is roughly 100× smaller than chromium, so, all else being equal, you'd expect 600× more bugs of any kind in chromium — more bugs per day in chromium than bugs per year in git there are design considerations to consider, but it's not clear to me which way they shift the balance: chromium's sandboxing layer means that you need a sandbox escape, but, on the other hand, chromium intentionally downloads a…

Sure, but this does not take into account the appeal for trying to exploit said codebases. Who pulls from an untrusted git instance ? Very very few people, hence the very low incentive to look for exploits. Who uses Chromium ? E-ve-ry-one.

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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Post by kragen »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #166
kragen wrote: post #165

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the git codebase is roughly 100× smaller than chromium, so, all else being equal, you'd expect 600× more bugs of any kind in chromium — more bugs per day in chromium than bugs per year in git there are design considerations to consider, but it's not clear to me which way they shift the balance: chromium's sandboxing layer means that you need a sandbox escape, but, on the other hand, chromium intentionally downloads a…

Sure, but this does not take into account the appeal for trying to exploit said codebases. Who pulls from an untrusted git instance ? Very very few people, hence the very low incentive to look for exploits. Who uses Chromium ? E-ve-ry-one.

i'm pretty sure people clone git repos from unknown github users all the time. i can't be the only one. and there's a special incentive to exploit those people: they're the ones who build the software that runs everywhere else, so if you can own their laptops, you own the world

regardless, the nonexistence of security holes is a much, much better protection than insufficient incentives to find the undoubtedly numerous security holes

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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Post by ImJamal »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #149
ImJamal wrote: post #124

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I'm sure a lot of Argentinians would love to live in a place as stable and prosperous as Alabama.

I'd agree that Alabama can't thwart all of the prosperity it gains from being one of the weakest components of the largest economy in history. Without that massive, continuous boost, it seems difficult to imagine AL rising to even the worst assumptions of Argentina.

Compare the inflation rates between Alabama and Argentina. Alabama is significantly better. Compare the GDP per capita. Oh that is right, Alabama is better. Is there any spot where Argentina is more stable or prosperous than Alabama?

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

ImJamal wrote: post #168
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #149

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I'd agree that Alabama can't thwart all of the prosperity it gains from being one of the weakest components of the largest economy in history. Without that massive, continuous boost, it seems difficult to imagine AL rising to even the worst assumptions of Argentina.

Compare the inflation rates between Alabama and Argentina. Alabama is significantly better. Compare the GDP per capita. Oh that is right, Alabama is better. Is there any spot where Argentina is more stable or prosperous than Alabama?

Sure. Because even as the ~weakest part of the US, it's still part of the US and gets to ride that tide.

Fully severed and deprived of any US privilege, it's leadership could quickly face any number of newsworthy options like mass die offs due to minimal health care and low vaccination rates, being overthrown by a Latin / South American interest or dying in a bloody coup because they couldn't muster enough resources to complete their 10000 Sweltering Gulags plan fast enough.

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

swah wrote: post #39
kingofthehill98 wrote: post #8

They elected a freakin' maniac and they're gonna pay a heavy price for that. In Brazil we have a saying "pior que tá não fica", which translates to something like "it cannot get worse than this". Belive me when I say this: it can (and probably will) get worse. It can (and probably will) get SO MUCH worse. We tasted this poison with 4 years of Bolsonaro trying to get away from the establishment. What did we get in ret…

Also unlike here in Brazil, from some interviews I felt like all (ok, most) argentinians were rooting that Milei's measures have a positive impact, even people that didn't vote for him. That did strike me as a very mature position.

> That did strike me as a very mature position.

Perhaps. But it might not be the kind of maturity that comes from 40 years of witnessing what politician promises are worth.

There are never politicians that ought to be adored.

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