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Heroku's new $50 and $100 per month database plans

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Re: Heroku's new $50 and $100 per month database plans

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I agree with everything you said, except that I don't think you need to spend any time working on an exit plan until the day you realize you're paying "too much" (whatever that means to you) for the benefit you're receiving from their managed hosting. I recommend: Launch on Heroku. Reevaluate that choice on success.

Surely designing with the eventual migration in mind will reduce the pain in the end, though.

You know the best way to do that? Keep it simple.

I think the people who are most likely to worry up front about a plan for migrating off of Heroku has a great deal of overlap with the sort of people who will make migrating off Heroku difficult for themselves by depending on too many "exotic" add-ins.

Re: Heroku's new $50 and $100 per month database plans

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That's right. They are all Japanese things in increasing order of deadliness.

I was curious and the list did not disappoint: https://postgres.heroku.com/pricing With that said I'm not sure how squid managed to be more dangerous than a kappa. >Kappa are usually seen as mischievous troublemakers. Their pranks range from the relatively innocent, such as loudly passing gas or looking up women's kimonos, to the malevolent, such as drowning people and animals, kidnapping children, and raping women ~…

I checked with some Japanese, the word on the street is that Kappa's are pretty innocuous

Re: Heroku's new $50 and $100 per month database plans

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with everything you said, except that I don't think you need to spend any time working on an exit plan until the day you realize you're paying "too much" (whatever that means to you) for the benefit you're receiving from their managed hosting. I recommend: Launch on Heroku. Reevaluate that choice on success.

Surely designing with the eventual migration in mind will reduce the pain in the end, though.

I'm not sure, actually. Running an application on such specialized application servers as Heroku provides has the benefit of being highly scalable, but it also means you have to adhere to some architectural patterns, which I believe address a lot of the migration issues people would normally encounter.

The most obvious example (and probably most relevant) is that on Heroku you can't store permanent files locally. Instead you need to store them on something like Amazon S3. However, the application servers also aren't a great place to do things like video processing. Instead, you'd lean on a third-party service like Zencoder.

As a result, applications that run well on Heroku have very few environmental dependancies and migration should be relatively straight forward. They even make it brilliantly easy to dump your database to a file that can be imported elsewhere.

I think the real pain in migrating from Heroku is outside of the application itself. I think the real pain is duplicating all the infrastructure and staffing you never had to think about when you deployed your app in the beginning. Honestly, I don't even know all the details of what they do. But I know I've never set it up myself and I'm not really interested in doing it. I don't want to hire someone to do it, either. It's enough being on call for application issues, never mind all the rest.

In every venture I'm involved in, traffic and users translate directly into money, so paying Heroku a cut of that success is not a problem. They've earned it.

Re: Heroku's new $50 and $100 per month database plans

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I'd love it if you used the new dev plan for your staging/dev db needs. This can help us drive the final limits.

Can I access the shared DB from outside Heroku?

Yes, you can access the shared dev plan from outside as well as the crane and kappa plans.

Re: Heroku's new $50 and $100 per month database plans

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If anyone from Heroku is reading, that page is a great example of how poor contrast results in poor readability. Blue-on-blue text makes me close the browser tab, and not actually see what you're trying to sell.

Many of us are reading. We'll look into increasing the contrast.
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