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Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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Post by monknomo »

GenerocUsername wrote: post #362
keiferski wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> has not shown to create functional long term societies that are resilient to exogenous threats. I don't think I agree with this. If anything, it seems more like the reverse: societies have been less-and-less willing to enforce assimilation and a certain set of society-wide cultural behaviors, and therefore they "fall back" to the rule of law as described by you.

As a melting pot, the US takes in a lot of folks from countries that are not doing very well... so in a way, if we keep importing folks from cultures that failed without trying to integrate them to our culture, and instead celebrate their original culture, eventually our amalgam culture will fail just like theirs did. Its why we have signs that say to "sit, not stand on toilets". You dont think we would need to write…

you know that the melting pot analogy is meant to say that we integrate immigrant cultures into "our" culture by both changing the immigrant culture and the dominant culture. The contents of the pot as a whole are less changed than the individual components are.

I think you may be thinking of the Candaian conception of a cultural mosaic.

Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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Post by nearlyepic »

GenerocUsername wrote: post #362
keiferski wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> has not shown to create functional long term societies that are resilient to exogenous threats. I don't think I agree with this. If anything, it seems more like the reverse: societies have been less-and-less willing to enforce assimilation and a certain set of society-wide cultural behaviors, and therefore they "fall back" to the rule of law as described by you.

As a melting pot, the US takes in a lot of folks from countries that are not doing very well... so in a way, if we keep importing folks from cultures that failed without trying to integrate them to our culture, and instead celebrate their original culture, eventually our amalgam culture will fail just like theirs did. Its why we have signs that say to "sit, not stand on toilets". You dont think we would need to write…

Go on, tell us more.

Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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Post by avianlyric »

GenerocUsername wrote: post #362
keiferski wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> has not shown to create functional long term societies that are resilient to exogenous threats. I don't think I agree with this. If anything, it seems more like the reverse: societies have been less-and-less willing to enforce assimilation and a certain set of society-wide cultural behaviors, and therefore they "fall back" to the rule of law as described by you.

As a melting pot, the US takes in a lot of folks from countries that are not doing very well... so in a way, if we keep importing folks from cultures that failed without trying to integrate them to our culture, and instead celebrate their original culture, eventually our amalgam culture will fail just like theirs did. Its why we have signs that say to "sit, not stand on toilets". You dont think we would need to write…

Erm, how exactly do you think we’re going to educate people on the “normal” way of using a toilet, if it’s not educational signs above toilets?

Do you imagine some kind of toilet license? Where people have to take toilet train and demonstrate their competence in front of an examiner?

Or perhaps at every border, non-citizens are given mandatory toilet training.

Or perhaps you’re gonna follow everyone into to the toilet and tell them how to use it correctly.

Your issue is with people not learning your native culture, but your evidence for people not learning is educational material that teaches people your culture. So it does rather seem your problem is that your specific culture isn’t the world wide norm.

Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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Post by dang »

jnsaff2 wrote: post #413

An overpriced script-kiddie tool developed by russians launches a marketing campaign as a small market hands them the gift of making them seem like a relevant tool for criminals by banning it. Did I miss anything?

You may have missed the HN guidelines which ask you not to be snarky, not to cross-examine, and not to post in the flamewar style.

Could you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and take the intended spirit of this site more to heart? We'd appreciate it.

Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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Post by concordDance »

GenerocUsername wrote: post #362
keiferski wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> has not shown to create functional long term societies that are resilient to exogenous threats. I don't think I agree with this. If anything, it seems more like the reverse: societies have been less-and-less willing to enforce assimilation and a certain set of society-wide cultural behaviors, and therefore they "fall back" to the rule of law as described by you.

As a melting pot, the US takes in a lot of folks from countries that are not doing very well... so in a way, if we keep importing folks from cultures that failed without trying to integrate them to our culture, and instead celebrate their original culture, eventually our amalgam culture will fail just like theirs did. Its why we have signs that say to "sit, not stand on toilets". You dont think we would need to write…

I'd like to note that the United States is in fact extremely good at assimilating immigrant groups and has done so successfully numerous times.

Honestly, I see little evidence it is doing any worse at assimilation than in, say, the early 1900s.

Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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Post by anigbrowl »

The childishness of this headline is something else. People who like 'security tools' feel entitled to demand everyone else exhaust themselves in a never ending security arms race.

Here's a compromise; things like Flipper Zero stay legal, but if you get caught with one, you're treated the same way as someone walking around with a crowbar.

Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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Post by whimsicalism »

autoexec wrote: post #503
whimsicalism wrote: post #301

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My comment was confusing so let me address what you are saying: 1. This is a very recent thing I am discussing, the fencers were only arrested in the beginning of 2023 and the thefts have fallen in 2023, specifically second half. This should be available in more fine-grained crime stats or simply by looking at like google trends of catalytic converter replacement searches. 2. Crime is much lower than in the 20th cent…

> this trend is after they busted a billion dollar auto parts company for being heavily involved in fencing these parts Do you mean DG Auto Parts ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020–2022_catalytic_converter_... ) or is there another auto parts chain I should avoid.

Ah yes, that's the one. Misremembered the apprehension date slightly. There have been subsequent arrests in the Bay Area of people who were part of the supply chain for this group.

Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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Post by fargle »

autoexec wrote: post #315
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #160

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We aren’t very serious about enforcing our laws, especially when kids are involved. We had police catch 12 and 13 year olds (Kia Boyz) this weekend in a car with guns, and they are out already. They will get some restorative justice, but no real correction in behavior and I’m sure they will do it again. Our real problem is just the pendulum swinging too far towards assuming people want to be good and they just need s…

> We aren’t very serious about enforcing our laws, especially when kids are involved. In the US we lock more of our citizens behind bars than any other nation on Earth. Conviction for even a minor offense can make it extremely difficult to get employment or housing. People rarely get a clean slate after serving their time and even an arrest record without a conviction can haunt you. Nearly all other developed countri…

this is an absolutely insane position to take in 2024. all around we have junkies in the streets, squatters, shoplifters, car thieves, burglars operating with impunity. you are replying to a post about 12-13 year-olds stealing cars and carrying guns, ffs. this should involve at least several years in jail. maybe a 2nd chance at 18.

the pendulum has definitely swung too far, but the direction it's swinging is not what you think. the last decade has been an wonderful experiment in reversing some of the "tough-on-crime" laws. the results of which have basically completely disproven the idea that sentencing, bail, etc. reforms would ever have a net benefit.

mass-incarceration is not a "problem" to be solved - it's a symptom, a result. the problem is an increasingly lawless society. measuring how many people are incarcerated is meaningless without comparing it with how much crime is happening.

compassion, i agree with. but what's needed is to put effort into better sorting in the justice system. some people, for example juveniles, deserve and will be well served by compassion. others will simply take massive advantage of it. the later need to be locked up, not for rehabilitation, but to prevent crime. a great way to differentiate it is repeat offenders. there's basically no excuse for this. 2nd chances? maybe. 3rd, 4th, etc... no way.

Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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Post by millzlane »

hoofhearted wrote: post #21

Sooo they have been stealing Infiniti's from my area recently with relative ease allegedly by using a Bluetooth obd2 reader connected to an android tablet running a pirated copy of some Nissan service tech software. Nobody from any of the Infiniti groups is 100% certain how they are doing it, but the best theory out there is above. Just the other night, a crew of dudes stole 3 Q50’s from my neighborhood with relative…

It was easy enough to do with https://www.uprev.com/.

We had a specialist shop in the same area. You can disable Security+ with uprev.

Hell we would even use it to remove engines from nissans to make them run in whatever we put them in without the ignition. I can make the start signal just come from a momentary push button.

Re: Insecure vehicles should be banned, not security tools like the Flipper Zero

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Post by iAMkenough »

gchamonlive wrote: post #339
wang_li wrote: post #199

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>while a flipper zero can be used for instructional purposes and research. Only in the same way a weapon can be used for instructional purposes and research. Someone buying an off the shelf product and using it in the way it was intended isn't doing research except in the loosest sense of the word. E.g. "Does the radio transmission open this garage door? Does it open this garage door? Does it open this garage door?"…

Genuinely curious, outside of sports, can you name other functions for guns that don't involve killing things?

Driving nails, launching flares, deterring physical violence
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