I wonder if Apple will use this as an excuses to not comply when it comes to providing cross platform messaging in the EU.
iMessage with PQ3 Cryptographic Protocol
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#22Does anyone know if this is still vulnerable to the iCloud Backups problem? The only solution to that right now is for you and your contact to turn on Advanced Data Protection. Curious if that’s still required.
That will always be the case with Apple. Their default behavior is to cater to a user that will shoot themselves in the foot anytime they have the opportunity. I applaud them for giving users the option to be secure, but I don't blame them in the least for making you turn on the thing that can make grandma lose all of her message history.
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#23Does anyone know if this is still vulnerable to the iCloud Backups problem? The only solution to that right now is for you and your contact to turn on Advanced Data Protection. Curious if that’s still required.
>The only solution to that right now is for you and your contact to turn on Advanced Data Protection or don't use icloud backup. Also, confusingly "messages in icloud" is end to end encrypted, and enabling it disables messages for being included in icloud backup.
Nothing is secure that goes to a server. Period.
Apple turned over iMessage conversations between journalists and senators at Trumps request. They encrypt but give away the keys in many jurisdictions.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes but that would have meant giving up sales in exchange for actually backing up their words. They aren’t even going to use the developed encrypted RCS protocol. Apple, when it comes to their values, is all lip service. I have intimate experience here with them both openly lying and purposefully deceiving their user base in this case.
What word? They never said they'd open iMessage. FaceTime is what they intended (or at least Jobs announced the intent) to open, and then that got caught up in a patent dispute.
No, they could have shipped a product on android, or they could have used secure RCS, or several other things.
FaceTime is not really true either. This was a convenient mistruth. There were several way to remedy that situation.
Also your misremembering iMessage there was no such issue.
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#25Advanced encryption, until it comes time to text 70% of the phones in the world, in which case it defaults to a protocol released 32 years ago.
Why does 70% of world phones matter here? There are phones in the world that do not support any encryption when sending messages or doing calls.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
What word? They never said they'd open iMessage. FaceTime is what they intended (or at least Jobs announced the intent) to open, and then that got caught up in a patent dispute.
No, they could have shipped a product on android, or they could have used secure RCS, or several other things. FaceTime is not really true either. This was a convenient mistruth. There were several way to remedy that situation. Also your misremembering iMessage there was no such issue.
It's not Apple's fault that the carriers/RCS/Google don't know how to make messaging work. RCS sucks, it pales in comparison to anything but SMS.
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#27Advanced encryption, until it comes time to text 70% of the phones in the world, in which case it defaults to a protocol released 32 years ago.
The top 7 phones sold last year were all iPhones.
https://www.macrumors.com/2024/02/21/iphones-top-7-best-sell...
Too bad the other vendors don’t bother keeping up.
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#28I wonder if Apple will use this as an excuses to not comply when it comes to providing cross platform messaging in the EU.
The EU already decided that under the DMA, iMessage is too small to qualify for the interoperability requirement. Apple is however adding (unencrypted) RCS support to comply with Chinese government law, which requires that all 5G phones support RCS.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
What word? They never said they'd open iMessage. FaceTime is what they intended (or at least Jobs announced the intent) to open, and then that got caught up in a patent dispute.
No, they could have shipped a product on android, or they could have used secure RCS, or several other things. FaceTime is not really true either. This was a convenient mistruth. There were several way to remedy that situation. Also your misremembering iMessage there was no such issue.
Google could have continued to support XMPP. If wishes were knishes doggies would eat.
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#30Advanced encryption, until it comes time to text 70% of the phones in the world, in which case it defaults to a protocol released 32 years ago.
Yes but that would have meant giving up sales in exchange for actually backing up their words. They aren’t even going to use the developed encrypted RCS protocol. Apple, when it comes to their values, is all lip service. I have intimate experience here with them both openly lying and purposefully deceiving their user base in this case.
> They aren’t even going to use the developed encrypted RCS protocol.
End-to-end RCS encryption is via proprietary Google extension and not even available to other Android RCS messaging apps.