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Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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Post by kingofthehill98 »

inglor_cz wrote: post #54
kingofthehill98 wrote: post #8

They elected a freakin' maniac and they're gonna pay a heavy price for that. In Brazil we have a saying "pior que tá não fica", which translates to something like "it cannot get worse than this". Belive me when I say this: it can (and probably will) get worse. It can (and probably will) get SO MUCH worse. We tasted this poison with 4 years of Bolsonaro trying to get away from the establishment. What did we get in ret…

"700k brazilians died to COVID, we now have a huge anti-vax problem" That sounds like a common world problem, not anything specifically Brazilian. In my country of 11 million (including Ukrainian refugees), we've had 45 thousand deaths. And anywhere where people frequent Facebook, the anti-vax movement thrives. It is not even specifically far-right, a lot of the crowd belongs to the organic green bio-mom milieu. I ca…

>That sounds like a common world problem, not anything specifically Brazilian.

Before the pandemic I personally never saw a single person denying vaccines to their children. Our health system had one of the most successful vaccination programs in the world, we were nearing 100% rates on a country with a scale of continent. Since Bolsonaro our rates are dropping on a very alarming rate and on the streets you see people trash talking vaccines all the time, even solved diseases and infections are returning because of this.

And about the 700k deaths, a lot of studies have been published proving that if the piece of shit bought the vaccines earlier hundreds of thousands of lives could've been saved, or if he did not made a public campaign AGAINST the vaccine we could've saved countless lives.

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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Post by bitdivision »

impostervt wrote: post #94
bitdivision wrote: post #12

I was there a few months ago. For me (without dollars), the best way to get cash was to western union it to myself. They tend to have rates at or around the dollar blue rate. The only painful part of this is that if you send yourself more than around $100 you're going to have to try various western union shops before finding one with enough cash. The other thing to note is that Mastercard (and Visa I believe) have a…

I did this with my sister who was digital nomading in Argentina a few months ago. The easiest thing we found was for me to send her $3k via western union, which converted into an ungodly amount of pesos she picked up down there. It was super sketchy. When I sent the money, the western union person said there was a chance western union would block it because it was such a large amount, but luckily it went through. Whe…

Yep, western union do tend to have a long kyc check after your first transfer I think. Which can delay things a few days. But after that I never really had a problem. I never heard of anyone getting their transaction completely blocked though.

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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Post by ImJamal »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #87
diggan wrote: post #2

I submitted a transcript from Javier Milei's address at the 54th annual meeting of the World Economic Forum, which I think explains a bit about what is happening, and what is about to happen, from the eyes of the newly elected president who has pretty strong and "out of the ordinary" opinions and ideas. It got some upvotes, but sadly no discussions at all. Highly relevant when discussing Argentina at the moment thoug…

> I think explains a bit about what is happening, and what is about to happen There is a lot of distance between promising economic changes and getting a positive outcome. His path seems to include a lot of reducing income to the government, privatization of government services and shuttering government branches that promote sciences, etc. I think he wants to recreate Alabama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_p…

I'm sure a lot of Argentinians would love to live in a place as stable and prosperous as Alabama.

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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Post by slibhb »

alchemist1e9 wrote: post #115
slibhb wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That whole debate wouldn't have made sense to the founding fathers. Yes they were liberals, but "capitalism" wasn't coined until the 19th century. Milei is quite extreme when he claims that markets can't fail. He's trying to move Argentina in the right direction. I would have voted for him. But that's an extreme claim and is rejected by most economists.

I respectfully disagree in that perhaps some vocabulary would need altering to use words they were more familiar with, but free markets and free enterprise, along with property rights and low taxation was exactly their founding perspective. Regarding “most economists” it would depend on how broad you allow the claim of being an economist is a valid one. We have literal socialist and marxists claiming to be economists…

You're ranting about marxists...but the question is whether markets can fail. Milei says no. But there are plenty of examples of markets failing so, if we take that idea seriously, it reduces to something like "free markets have never been tried". What does that remind you of?

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Post by swarnie »

javcasas wrote: post #116
swarnie wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you know why the USA is the richest country in the world while being full of homeless, or has the strongest army in the world while having the shittiest healthcare of all developed countries? Yes, its in the post you're replying too. The USA run an oligarchy system where by the vast majority of money, power and influenced and controlled by an impossibly small interconnected group. But its ok because every four y…

Well, oligarchy is the eventual result of liberalism. Even though we may have started equal, some people, through luck or questionable methods, have attained a position of power, possibly by being owners of a company that has a monopolistic status. And now, via regulatory capture and targeted actions against competitors, looks to subvert the "free" hand of the market. Why can't you get decent internet in the States?…

Ok just to be clear, your the only one here talking about Liberalism.

Liberalism and libertarianism are two very different things.

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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Post by javcasas »

swarnie wrote: post #126
javcasas wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, oligarchy is the eventual result of liberalism. Even though we may have started equal, some people, through luck or questionable methods, have attained a position of power, possibly by being owners of a company that has a monopolistic status. And now, via regulatory capture and targeted actions against competitors, looks to subvert the "free" hand of the market. Why can't you get decent internet in the States?…

Ok just to be clear, your the only one here talking about Liberalism. Liberalism and libertarianism are two very different things.

Sure, can you explain the differences? Google is not being helpful here, it seems both words have quite a bit of propaganda behind them.

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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Post by throwaway86375 »

javcasas wrote: post #78
swarnie wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've tested many different ideologies and organisational structures just in the last few hundred years. Currently we have a successful but pretty crappy form of capitalism. Some countries have experimented with Communism, fascism, oligarchy (ism)?), feudalism ect ect. Why not give libertarianism a shot?

Do you know why the USA is the richest country in the world while being full of homeless, or has the strongest army in the world while having the shittiest healthcare of all developed countries? Because liberalism, I/E shrink the state so that ~the corporations can rule~ the invisible hand of the market can fix everything. Even Adam Smith recognised that you need a state to limit the power of the big actors in the in…

The American healthcare system is not libertarian. The US has the highest total health spending per capita in the world, more then France and the UK combined. [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_hea...

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Post by alchemist1e9 »

slibhb wrote: post #125
alchemist1e9 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I respectfully disagree in that perhaps some vocabulary would need altering to use words they were more familiar with, but free markets and free enterprise, along with property rights and low taxation was exactly their founding perspective. Regarding “most economists” it would depend on how broad you allow the claim of being an economist is a valid one. We have literal socialist and marxists claiming to be economists…

You're ranting about marxists...but the question is whether markets can fail. Milei says no. But there are plenty of examples of markets failing so, if we take that idea seriously, it reduces to something like "free markets have never been tried". What does that remind you of?

Please provide the examples of market failures and I suspect on closer examination you will discover State failure, not market failures.

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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Post by throwaway86375 »

swarnie wrote: post #126
javcasas wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, oligarchy is the eventual result of liberalism. Even though we may have started equal, some people, through luck or questionable methods, have attained a position of power, possibly by being owners of a company that has a monopolistic status. And now, via regulatory capture and targeted actions against competitors, looks to subvert the "free" hand of the market. Why can't you get decent internet in the States?…

Ok just to be clear, your the only one here talking about Liberalism. Liberalism and libertarianism are two very different things.

GP seems to be using the "classical liberalism" definition of liberalism, which largerly overlaps with what's generally considered libertarianism.
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