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Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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Post by artninja1988 »

trisfromgoogle wrote: post #56
artninja1988 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find the snyde remarks around open source in the paper and announcement rather off putting. As the ecosystem evolves, we urge the corporate AI community to move beyond demanding to be taken seriously as a player in open source for models that are not actually open, and avoid preaching with a PR statement that can be interpreted as uniformed at best or malicious at worst.

It would be great to understand what you mean by this -- we have a deep love for open source and the open developer ecosystem. Our open source team also released a blog today describing the rationale and approach for open models and continuing AI releases in the open ecosystem: https://opensource.googleblog.com/2024/02/building-open-mode... Thoughts and feedback welcome, as always.

The statement on you not being able to use LLaMA 2 to benchmark is also false and highly misleading see https://x.com/BlancheMinerva/status/1760302091166241163?s=20

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Post by syntaxing »

kathleenfromgdm wrote: post #47
sbarre wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can the Gemma models be downloaded to run locally, like open-source models Llama2, Mistral, etc ? Or is your definition of "open" different?

Yes, you can get started downloading the model and running inference on Kaggle: https://www.kaggle.com/models/google/gemma ; for a full list of ways to interact with the model, you can check out https://ai.google.dev/gemma .

A small typo in your model link that breaks it. There’s an extra ; on the end.

Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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Post by rvz »

Great! Google is now participating in the AI race to zero with Meta, as predicted that $0 free AI models would eventually catch up against cloud-based ones.

You would not want to be in the middle of this as there is no moat around this at all. Not even OpenAI.

Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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Post by ta8645 »

kibwen wrote: post #38
vmfunction wrote: post #31

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Not surprising, just like when MS went to shit, and then they start to embrace 'open source'. Seems like PR stunt. And when it comes to LLM there is millions of dollar barrier to entry to train the model, so it is ok to open up their embedding etc. Today big corp A will open up a little to court the developers, and tomorrow when it gains dominance it will close up, and corp B open up a little.

True, though to be fair, when OpenAI embraced "openness" it was also a PR stunt.

My impression is that OpenAI was founded by true believers, with the best intentions; whose hopes were ultimately sidelined in the inexorable crush of business and finance.

Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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Post by milansuk »

vmfunction wrote: post #31
impulser_ wrote: post #27

Go back 5 years and ask anyone on this site what companies do you think will be the most open about AI in the future OpenAI, Meta, or Google. I bet 10/10 people would pick OpenAI. Now today Meta and Google, both trillion dollars companies, are releasing very powerful open models with the ability to be used commercially. Ironic.

Not surprising, just like when MS went to shit, and then they start to embrace 'open source'. Seems like PR stunt. And when it comes to LLM there is millions of dollar barrier to entry to train the model, so it is ok to open up their embedding etc. Today big corp A will open up a little to court the developers, and tomorrow when it gains dominance it will close up, and corp B open up a little.

You can run Gemma and hundreds of other models(many fine-tuned) in llama.cpp. It's easy to swap to a different model.

It's important there are companies publishing models(running locally). If some stop and others are born, it's ok. The worst thing that could happen is having AI only in the cloud.

Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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Post by aphit »

kathleenfromgdm wrote: post #43
nalzok wrote: post #28

Congratulations on the release! How can we download the model and run inference locally?

Thank you! You can get started downloading the model and running inference on Kaggle: https://www.kaggle.com/models/google/gemma ; for a full list of ways to interact with the model, you can check out https://ai.google.dev/gemma .

FYI the ; broke the link, but I found it easily anyway.

Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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Post by kathleenfromgdm »

syntaxing wrote: post #63
kathleenfromgdm wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, you can get started downloading the model and running inference on Kaggle: https://www.kaggle.com/models/google/gemma ; for a full list of ways to interact with the model, you can check out https://ai.google.dev/gemma .

A small typo in your model link that breaks it. There’s an extra ; on the end.

Corrected - thanks :)
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