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Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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Post by vmfunction »

impulser_ wrote: post #27

Go back 5 years and ask anyone on this site what companies do you think will be the most open about AI in the future OpenAI, Meta, or Google. I bet 10/10 people would pick OpenAI. Now today Meta and Google, both trillion dollars companies, are releasing very powerful open models with the ability to be used commercially. Ironic.

Not surprising, just like when MS went to shit, and then they start to embrace 'open source'. Seems like PR stunt. And when it comes to LLM there is millions of dollar barrier to entry to train the model, so it is ok to open up their embedding etc.

Today big corp A will open up a little to court the developers, and tomorrow when it gains dominance it will close up, and corp B open up a little.

Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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Post by throwaw12 »

impulser_ wrote: post #27

Go back 5 years and ask anyone on this site what companies do you think will be the most open about AI in the future OpenAI, Meta, or Google. I bet 10/10 people would pick OpenAI. Now today Meta and Google, both trillion dollars companies, are releasing very powerful open models with the ability to be used commercially. Ironic.

they want to kill competition before it gets too big using the hands of open source community and enthusiasts

Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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Post by infecto »

impulser_ wrote: post #27

Go back 5 years and ask anyone on this site what companies do you think will be the most open about AI in the future OpenAI, Meta, or Google. I bet 10/10 people would pick OpenAI. Now today Meta and Google, both trillion dollars companies, are releasing very powerful open models with the ability to be used commercially. Ironic.

Ironic but I wonder how true this would be if Google was first to market.

Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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Post by gmaster1440 »

impulser_ wrote: post #27

Go back 5 years and ask anyone on this site what companies do you think will be the most open about AI in the future OpenAI, Meta, or Google. I bet 10/10 people would pick OpenAI. Now today Meta and Google, both trillion dollars companies, are releasing very powerful open models with the ability to be used commercially. Ironic.

It's almost the inverse of going back 5 years and asking what companies will release the most successful or impressive AI's.

Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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Post by sbarre »

ErneX wrote: post #26
pama wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will these soon be available on lmsys for human comparison against other models? Can they run with llama.cpp?

Yes to llama.cpp https://twitter.com/ggerganov/status/1760293079313973408

I came here wondering if these models are "open" in the sense that they'll show up on sites like Ollama where you can download and run them locally.

Am I correct to conclude that this means they eventually will?

It's unclear to me from Google's docs exactly what "open" means for Gemma

Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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Post by tosh »

alekandreev wrote: post #3

Hello on behalf of the Gemma team! We are really excited to answer any questions you may have about our models. Opinions are our own and not of Google DeepMind.

Are there any plans for releasing the datasets used?

Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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Post by kibwen »

vmfunction wrote: post #31
impulser_ wrote: post #27

Go back 5 years and ask anyone on this site what companies do you think will be the most open about AI in the future OpenAI, Meta, or Google. I bet 10/10 people would pick OpenAI. Now today Meta and Google, both trillion dollars companies, are releasing very powerful open models with the ability to be used commercially. Ironic.

Not surprising, just like when MS went to shit, and then they start to embrace 'open source'. Seems like PR stunt. And when it comes to LLM there is millions of dollar barrier to entry to train the model, so it is ok to open up their embedding etc. Today big corp A will open up a little to court the developers, and tomorrow when it gains dominance it will close up, and corp B open up a little.

True, though to be fair, when OpenAI embraced "openness" it was also a PR stunt.

Re: Gemma: New Open Models

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Post by sbarre »

alekandreev wrote: post #3

Hello on behalf of the Gemma team! We are really excited to answer any questions you may have about our models. Opinions are our own and not of Google DeepMind.

Can the Gemma models be downloaded to run locally, like open-source models Llama2, Mistral, etc ?

Or is your definition of "open" different?

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