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What is going on in Argentina?

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Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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Actually the Government has been Peronist (which many consider to be equivalent to socialist) in Argentina from WW2 to 1970, and then from 1989 onwards.

A large government spending lots of money. Add in wage and price controls (classic authoritarian leftwing policies), and economic ruin was an inevitability

Inflation has nothing to do with libertarianism and everything to do with a state that tried to run everything and inevitably failed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_in_Argentina

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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“To give you have an idea, within the first 2 days in Argentina, I dealt with over five different rates. A restaurant actually offered me the proper blue rate (1100) to pay for the bill, whereas one cueva (informal exchange house) offered me 1050 and another 1070. The kiosk where I bought a SIM card from had it at 1060, and Uber, who did the currency conversion themselves rather than leaving it up to my credit card,…

I guess some US cards also charge a lot for foreign transactions? I always paid in pesos on card, and in fact I don't think anyone ever even tried to charge me in dollars. Also, with Uber, you're not likely to get many rides if you pay by card.

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Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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Argentina has been like this for a very long time. I studied abroad there in 2019 and it was exactly the same. I believe one of the reasons Brian Armstrong started Coinbase was because he saw how devastating inflation was to Argentina’s economy. Argentina was at one point a top 20 country in the world wealth wise and has obviously gone very down hill. It’s too bad, a lot of talented tech workers there.

Been there in 2014 with a group of friends. We ran out of cash. I took the ferry to Uruguay with 4 credit cards and for a day each 2 hours draw the max sum the ATM let me. Returned with 4k dollars in my pockets. Not before I bought something to smoke and smoked a big doobie on the beach in the sunset. God, I miss this muchileros life.

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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>And Argentinians, thank you and best of luck. Just please let’s do better lunches than milanesa con papas next time, deal? Milanesas are a godsend tbh though

Knew this would be a bit of a contentious point! Have you seen how we do lunches in Brazil though? (search for images about 'self service brasil' for instance)

Milanesa is about simplicity. Search "milanesa napolitana a caballo".

But to be honest: empanadas > milanesas

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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“To give you have an idea, within the first 2 days in Argentina, I dealt with over five different rates. A restaurant actually offered me the proper blue rate (1100) to pay for the bill, whereas one cueva (informal exchange house) offered me 1050 and another 1070. The kiosk where I bought a SIM card from had it at 1060, and Uber, who did the currency conversion themselves rather than leaving it up to my credit card,…

Actually we found we got better rates elsewhere (El Chaltén hotels for example would exchange at the daily blue rate from DolarYa) plus the random restaurants were the ones usually offering the legit rate. Unlike the cueva, they actually don't have leverage, and would love to get their hands on some dollars. We never exchanged money like this, but were happy to pay the bill in dollars at the end (prices were never se…

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Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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this is kind of the opposite extreme: the argentine state has created these problems through pervasive over-regulation of the economy, down to the level of deciding which brands get how much shelf space on the supermarket shelves, and granting licenses to purchase foreign exchange on a case-by-case basis at different rates depending on what the purpose of the foreign exchange is

the experience of a state that is far too effective at fucking up the economy is why the argentines elected a total nutbag as president on the strength of his campaign promises to vastly reduce the effectiveness of the state

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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For those not keeping up with the news, Argentina used to be an extremely wealthy country, but went the reverse route many decades ago and has embraced peronism for awhile (kind of a mixture of socialism and fascism) that has led to rampant inflation. They recently elected Javier Milei (an economist and former sex guru) who although some media claim is a radical rightwing candidate, center-right Libertarian might be…

I think this is a pretty fair assessment of Milei. Do you feel the sex guru part adds much though? Maybe he is in an open relationship, or actually gay, or xyz... does it matter in his economic reform plans for Argentina?

He isn't a lifelong politician, so when the media describes him, they refer to his career in the private sector which as far as I'm aware includes two jobs. One was as an economist and the other as a "sex guru" of some kind. I have no idea what all that involved (mainly been following the economic reforms). If he had been an electrician beforehand they would have said economist and electrician. Some may try to use it to try to throw shade i suppose. I was using it in the sense of being complete.

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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“To give you have an idea, within the first 2 days in Argentina, I dealt with over five different rates. A restaurant actually offered me the proper blue rate (1100) to pay for the bill, whereas one cueva (informal exchange house) offered me 1050 and another 1070. The kiosk where I bought a SIM card from had it at 1060, and Uber, who did the currency conversion themselves rather than leaving it up to my credit card,…

Actually we found we got better rates elsewhere (El Chaltén hotels for example would exchange at the daily blue rate from DolarYa) plus the random restaurants were the ones usually offering the legit rate. Unlike the cueva, they actually don't have leverage, and would love to get their hands on some dollars. We never exchanged money like this, but were happy to pay the bill in dollars at the end (prices were never se…

I’m with ya if you’re going to stay for a prolonged duration or exchange significant sums.

A month for me was There’s also FB groups for expats to get a slightly better rate from shifty brits.

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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In order to have a mature discussion about this topic, it's necessary for people to know about the economic and political history of Argentina. It's impossible to understand their current situation without going back to the 1940s. Bad faith arguments look over the fact that Argentina has had decades of incredible economic distortions as a consequence of political rot, and that undoing those distortions is not achieved in the time Milei has been president (I personally don't believe they could be undone in less than a presidential term).
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