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How smart do you have to be to get a degree?

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Re: How smart do you have to be to get a degree?

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Is IQ everything that counts? Does the family's social class count or not? Does the socioeconomic situation of the state, country, neighborhood count or not? Does fashions, wars, crises, recessions, mass layoffs, drugs permitted by states, industrial changes, friends, political changes, city councils, police and judges, corruption, monetary funds, teachers, management of study centers, laws, banks and what not... cou…

Not impressed at all that someone works with Linux.

Re: How smart do you have to be to get a degree?

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I have not seen anyone say this, so I will (apologies if I missed someone's comment). It is not clear that IQ is a good measure of smart.

I'll also note that when I teach Elementary Statistics and ask undergrads for a show of hands of who has taken an IQ test, often in a class of 30 I won't get more than a hand or two. So I guess these studies are administering the tests specially for the study?

Re: How smart do you have to be to get a degree?

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These results are to be expected, if IQ is normally distributed, but we push more people into obtaining university degrees. The value of a university degree has severely deteriorated since every white collar job essentially requires having one and it will continue getting worse. I would assume that it's worse in the US than in Europe, because in EU it seems that education is less commercialized and you can get a degr…

> in EU it seems that education is less commercialized and you can get a degree for free if you are above average.

"Above-average" students (as measured by, for example, the SAT, ACT and/or GPA) are offered free university educations in many/most states in the US. It's just that average and even below average students can and do also gain admission, though obviously the completion rate is lower. College mostly only costs money in the US if you are not academically excellent and/or you elect to go to a private or out-of-state university without a scholarship.

Re: How smart do you have to be to get a degree?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Throwaway: I have a PhD in CS, and I wouldn't describe myself as very intelligent. Maybe slightly above average. I am constantly amazed at how quickly others in my team can understand extremely complex mathematical problems in a few seconds. I would need at least an hour of quiet thinking, and I struggled a lot with the mathematical aspects of my PhD. But I did work my ass off for 5 years (mostly out of curiosity, th…

Armchair anecdote: I have a high IQ, and I fall into that same trap when it comes to game development. It's something I dabble in, and every game idea I come up with that I can reasonably actually complete feels like it's far too simple. But I look at the market and there are tons of games that are that simple that have actually sold copies, so I should just do one of them and get started. But something in me refuses…

I have a similar issue, and discovered that in reality intelligence can help mask the significant downsides of ADHD.

People take this to mean ADHD is a signal of intelligence, but conversely it's that successful people with ADHD tend to be quite good at masking.

If I were in your shoes today I would seriously consider talking to a mental health professional, since self-diagnosis is no diagnosis and ultimately seeking help earlier for me would have significantly decreased the likelihood of burnout.

Re: How smart do you have to be to get a degree?

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I have not seen anyone say this, so I will (apologies if I missed someone's comment). It is not clear that IQ is a good measure of smart. I'll also note that when I teach Elementary Statistics and ask undergrads for a show of hands of who has taken an IQ test, often in a class of 30 I won't get more than a hand or two. So I guess these studies are administering the tests specially for the study?

> I'll also note that when I teach Elementary Statistics and ask undergrads for a show of hands of who has taken an IQ test, often in a class of 30 I won't get more than a hand or two. So I guess these studies are administering the tests specially for the study?

I'm also wondering where they're getting all of the IQ stats. I have no idea what my IQ is, and I don't recall ever taking an IQ test in my entire life. Where I came from, it certainly wasn't routine to administer IQ tests.

Re: How smart do you have to be to get a degree?

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Is IQ everything that counts? Does the family's social class count or not? Does the socioeconomic situation of the state, country, neighborhood count or not? Does fashions, wars, crises, recessions, mass layoffs, drugs permitted by states, industrial changes, friends, political changes, city councils, police and judges, corruption, monetary funds, teachers, management of study centers, laws, banks and what not... cou…

Not impressed at all that someone works with Linux.

Not trying to impress at all... see the rest of the sentence and paragraph, its just background of the environment where I did meet people with a degree and low IQ

For the comments... it's clear I did choose a bad word here. Should I have say computers, all known programming languages, Microsoft, cisco, or whatever in 20 years... if linux was so easy for everyone 20 years ago.

Didn!t mean that I've high IQ just because I use Linux or something like that... neither i'm looking for congratulations.

My only point is that having a degree may not be only related to a high IQ and the other way around.

Re: How smart do you have to be to get a degree?

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not impressed at all that someone works with Linux.

Not trying to impress at all... see the rest of the sentence and paragraph, its just background of the environment where I did meet people with a degree and low IQ For the comments... it's clear I did choose a bad word here. Should I have say computers, all known programming languages, Microsoft, cisco, or whatever in 20 years... if linux was so easy for everyone 20 years ago. Didn!t mean that I've high IQ just becau…

Yet all statistical data on this proves you wrong. STEM degree holders have high IQs, no need to get insecure over it.

Re: How smart do you have to be to get a degree?

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not trying to impress at all... see the rest of the sentence and paragraph, its just background of the environment where I did meet people with a degree and low IQ For the comments... it's clear I did choose a bad word here. Should I have say computers, all known programming languages, Microsoft, cisco, or whatever in 20 years... if linux was so easy for everyone 20 years ago. Didn!t mean that I've high IQ just becau…

Yet all statistical data on this proves you wrong. STEM degree holders have high IQs, no need to get insecure over it.

Maybe because statisticians (with their degree and correspondent IQ) never did reach really clever persons without a degree that I've known to perform an IQ test... or because they didn't choose some of the STEM degree holders, authors of real horror histories at work, or with the brain of a vegetable, that I did know.

Who knows :)

Anyway, don't want to discuss about if I'm wrong or insecure, but about the topic, have a nice day!

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