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What Was Sora Trained On? Creatives Demand Answers

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Re: What Was Sora Trained On? Creatives Demand Answers

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Post by fithisux »

skepticATX wrote: post #18
photoGrant wrote: post #2

I asked this question a few days ago and the responses, arrogance and ignorance was astounding. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39406709 I promise, if I'm here asking this week, there's millions more that will be asking next week. Carving out the labour market has more consequences than increasing productivity. It destroys culture, society and a will to live. Wise up. edit: And before the inevitable responses be…

I don't know if it's illegal, because I'm not a lawyer. I do know that it is completely unethical. A few large companies should not be able to package up and sell the totality of humanity's creative output at the expense of humanity itself. The backlash is certainly just beginning. Thus far, AI usage beyond brief exploration have mostly been driven by tech folks. As more people outside of the bubble get clued into wh…

This a real threat to democracy (maybe it is not there anymore)

Re: What Was Sora Trained On? Creatives Demand Answers

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Post by throwaway598 »

photoGrant wrote: post #40
throwaway598 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Self driving cars are far more impactful on employment and livelihoods of lower income and independent workers. And seemingly harder to reach non-monopoly/oligopoly solutions.

I don't play football unless the goalposts remain stationary.

How wonderful it might be to be able to have tickets to both a conventional game of football and an imagined one where goalposts move around.

Paying people to move goalposts is expensive, and it might turn out to be a flop, but you could do both with Sora cheaply, and even make it into an interactive movie which, something impossible with conventional read only films.

Re: What Was Sora Trained On? Creatives Demand Answers

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Post by xscott »

norir wrote: post #26
xscott wrote: post #15

I'll care a little more about the creatives' arguments when they start paying royalties to every drawing, painting, illustration, tv show, or movie they've ever seen. Until then, it's just a cash grab. No individual is all that creative, and anyone accomplished is standing on the shoulders of past giants to get there. The "what will we do for jobs argument?!?" would've applied to stage actors when movies came out a c…

> No individual is all that creative, and anyone accomplished is standing on the shoulders of past giants to get there. Are you seriously going to argue that, say, Bach or Shakespeare were not all that creative?

You're reaching pretty far back to find outstanding examples, and I'll agree they are way above average.

However, I'll assume you know that most of Shakespeare's works were based off of earlier works. And I doubt Bach taught himself from scratch either.

Re: What Was Sora Trained On? Creatives Demand Answers

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Post by [deleted] »

Throwaway1746 wrote: post #14
isodev wrote: post #3

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I still don't get how people believe one can make money out of other people's creative works (on a mass scale at that) and get away with it. Training an AI is not fair use and has nothing to do with open source. Posting content online doesn't automagically make it usable for whatever purpose.

>Training an AI is not fair use That's not for you to decide. >has nothing to do with open source It has everything to do with open source. If only Disney and getty images are allowed to train ai, there will be extreme monopolisation.

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Re: What Was Sora Trained On? Creatives Demand Answers

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Post by photoGrant »

xscott wrote: post #30
photoGrant wrote: post #24

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My recommendation, civil or otherwise is to at least feign a moment of empathy and understanding for your fellow man in order to balance an otherwise repeat cliche that fundamentally argues for self. An inability to empathise first stops any ability to listen to, or accept alternative opinions to your own. I'm not sure what's more insulting overall, my sarcasm or your immediate jump to insult any artist based on the…

Ok, now that you've clarified: My take was correct, right? Your first instinct was to attack my character instead of discussing the topic, and you knew you had to be sneaky about it to not obviously break the rules. Your empathy isn't showing so clearly, and honestly I have more friendly discussions with ChatGPT than I am having with you. As for what artists care about - nobody is taking away their cameras or brushes…

I have no desire to be sneaky. Creatively pointed. Please report me if needed, I have no qualms exercising my ability to express humanity when someone attempts to dehumanise. Especially if I can do so in a way that opens up an avenue for reflection. Most just double down. Being silenced on this platform is an expected conclusion, not a concern.

Re: What Was Sora Trained On? Creatives Demand Answers

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Post by xscott »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #34
xscott wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, now that you've clarified: My take was correct, right? Your first instinct was to attack my character instead of discussing the topic, and you knew you had to be sneaky about it to not obviously break the rules. Your empathy isn't showing so clearly, and honestly I have more friendly discussions with ChatGPT than I am having with you. As for what artists care about - nobody is taking away their cameras or brushes…

To clarify, the 'caring about money' mentioned here refers to millions of humans genuinely worried about how they'll continue to survive and support their families in the society in which they live, as their profession is decimated over the course of a year or two, a fraction of the time it takes to learn a new one.

Once upon a time there were millions of people working the fields to make enough food. Nothing has been decimated in the last year or two, and I don't think anything will be in the next two either. But yeah, the world is changing, and some current careers won't be viable in a decade or two. I'm not sure we could find a point in the last century where that wasn't true.

Re: What Was Sora Trained On? Creatives Demand Answers

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Post by _zagj »

It's incredible how unsympathetic these threads are to artists.

I remember the HN threads covering the FAANG (or whatever they're called now) laysoffs, where people would get flagged just for pointing out that tech workers earning $150-350k-a-year aren't sympathetic, exploited proletarians and that these companies have obligations to shareholders, which includes ordinary Americans with 401(k)s, IRAs, or pension plans (which, even if public sector, are still usually funded with public equities)--not just to people who got lucky and won the FAANG job lottery.

Re: What Was Sora Trained On? Creatives Demand Answers

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Post by photoGrant »

fithisux wrote: post #38
xscott wrote: post #15

I'll care a little more about the creatives' arguments when they start paying royalties to every drawing, painting, illustration, tv show, or movie they've ever seen. Until then, it's just a cash grab. No individual is all that creative, and anyone accomplished is standing on the shoulders of past giants to get there. The "what will we do for jobs argument?!?" would've applied to stage actors when movies came out a c…

You seem to mix a lot. The first part is pseudo-argument. You compare apples and oranges. You treat education and massive steal of IP the same. The second part seems to be a religious rehash of "The world keeps getting better as technology advances" this is not something guaranteed to continue and the world is not getting better from everyone. You seem to "overfit". The third part does not guarantee a sustainable inc…

I'll simplify this for everyone;

(misquoted you originally, sorry!)

If you take a box and fill it with dog shit. You're more than welcome to chop, blend, dilute, fling or even eat this shit. But in the end, it's still Pepper's Poop.

Sell it like it isn't. Add sprinkles. It's Pepper's Poop.

When Pepper dies. Do you think the model is going to invent Gold all of a sudden?

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Post by atrus »

norir wrote: post #26
xscott wrote: post #15

I'll care a little more about the creatives' arguments when they start paying royalties to every drawing, painting, illustration, tv show, or movie they've ever seen. Until then, it's just a cash grab. No individual is all that creative, and anyone accomplished is standing on the shoulders of past giants to get there. The "what will we do for jobs argument?!?" would've applied to stage actors when movies came out a c…

> No individual is all that creative, and anyone accomplished is standing on the shoulders of past giants to get there. Are you seriously going to argue that, say, Bach or Shakespeare were not all that creative?

They're saying that creativity isn't in a vacuum. Both Bach and Shakespeare were both inspired, and drew upon many things in their life. Just like how anyone who makes anything or does anything leans at least a little on past experiences. And I really think that line of arugment is a dead end, and only hurts, or we'd have to round up and arrest every highschooler making shitty anime fan art.
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