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What Was Sora Trained On? Creatives Demand Answers

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Re: What Was Sora Trained On? Creatives Demand Answers

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Post by asdfgjkl »

scarmig wrote: post #10
fatherzine wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the attitude of those that do it: "what are you going to do about it?". escalatory power games, not an ounce of caring for your fellow man, barely a veneer of. we have entered very dark waters. unclear where the exit is.

Preventing or slowing the development of AI is just a startling contempt for human life. Every day millions of people die unnecessarily. Willingness to let that happen because you think your family (or, most likely, a giant corporation) deserves to be paid for a century after you die is sheer selfishness and ignorance.

How exactly is content generation helping with preventing unnecessary death?

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Post by pasquinelli »

Throwaway1746 wrote: post #22
xscott wrote: post #15

I'll care a little more about the creatives' arguments when they start paying royalties to every drawing, painting, illustration, tv show, or movie they've ever seen. Until then, it's just a cash grab. No individual is all that creative, and anyone accomplished is standing on the shoulders of past giants to get there. The "what will we do for jobs argument?!?" would've applied to stage actors when movies came out a c…

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> because it competes with their work.

it really doesn't

Re: What Was Sora Trained On? Creatives Demand Answers

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Post by w______roy »

xscott wrote: post #15

I'll care a little more about the creatives' arguments when they start paying royalties to every drawing, painting, illustration, tv show, or movie they've ever seen. Until then, it's just a cash grab. No individual is all that creative, and anyone accomplished is standing on the shoulders of past giants to get there. The "what will we do for jobs argument?!?" would've applied to stage actors when movies came out a c…

People do pay to see movies, to read books, to go to the museum, and for formal education… Do you think the ratio of cost to go to film school per video made for an individual is the same ratio as the cost for stock video library per video made for an AI?

>The world keeps getting better as technology advances

Will it, forever? Is that a given? Technology might also destroy the planet.

Re: What Was Sora Trained On? Creatives Demand Answers

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

xscott wrote: post #30
photoGrant wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My recommendation, civil or otherwise is to at least feign a moment of empathy and understanding for your fellow man in order to balance an otherwise repeat cliche that fundamentally argues for self. An inability to empathise first stops any ability to listen to, or accept alternative opinions to your own. I'm not sure what's more insulting overall, my sarcasm or your immediate jump to insult any artist based on the…

Ok, now that you've clarified: My take was correct, right? Your first instinct was to attack my character instead of discussing the topic, and you knew you had to be sneaky about it to not obviously break the rules. Your empathy isn't showing so clearly, and honestly I have more friendly discussions with ChatGPT than I am having with you. As for what artists care about - nobody is taking away their cameras or brushes…

To clarify, the 'caring about money' mentioned here refers to millions of humans genuinely worried about how they'll continue to survive and support their families in the society in which they live, as their profession is decimated over the course of a year or two, a fraction of the time it takes to learn a new one.

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Post by chrisknyfe »

caesil wrote: post #7
photoGrant wrote: post #2

I asked this question a few days ago and the responses, arrogance and ignorance was astounding. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39406709 I promise, if I'm here asking this week, there's millions more that will be asking next week. Carving out the labour market has more consequences than increasing productivity. It destroys culture, society and a will to live. Wise up. edit: And before the inevitable responses be…

Thank you! This is exactly why we need to BAN weaving machines. The will to live is sustained by the work of the skilled artisans who create clothing by hand with looms. "But I don't want to pay 500 dollars for a t-shirt", you say. What astounding arrogance! Stop destroying culture and accept that we need to protect this valuable craft from technology that threatens to steamroll it.

The luddites didn't destroy the power looms because they were some kind of handcrafting purists - they destroyed the machines because they took away ownership of the means of production from individual craftsmen to big businesses. The problem wasn't the machine, it was the factory and its owner.

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Post by throwaway598 »

photoGrant wrote: post #19
caesil wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you! This is exactly why we need to BAN weaving machines. The will to live is sustained by the work of the skilled artisans who create clothing by hand with looms. "But I don't want to pay 500 dollars for a t-shirt", you say. What astounding arrogance! Stop destroying culture and accept that we need to protect this valuable craft from technology that threatens to steamroll it.

As per usual, money thinks of a human as a commodity for sale, not a neighbour being exploited or livelihood being stripped. If you think throwing life into a black box and consuming its results will improve productivity and enhance creativity. You're forgetting the only thing we feed this thing is 'results'. You're drinking the piss from a million artists and thinking it's fresh water. Eventually this filtered, cens…

Self driving cars are far more impactful on employment and livelihoods of lower income and independent workers.

And seemingly harder to reach non-monopoly/oligopoly solutions.

Re: What Was Sora Trained On? Creatives Demand Answers

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Post by xscott »

skepticATX wrote: post #21
xscott wrote: post #15

I'll care a little more about the creatives' arguments when they start paying royalties to every drawing, painting, illustration, tv show, or movie they've ever seen. Until then, it's just a cash grab. No individual is all that creative, and anyone accomplished is standing on the shoulders of past giants to get there. The "what will we do for jobs argument?!?" would've applied to stage actors when movies came out a c…

We don't have to treat humans and machines the same. Even if it were true that these models learn exactly like humans (which is patently false), we can still differentiate between the two. Society is built by and for humans. If we want to empower humans over machines, that seems perfectly acceptable.

We don't have to treat them the same, but that's the direction I'm leaning.

As for society, that's another topic. People really aren't all that nice to each other very often.

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Post by fithisux »

xscott wrote: post #15

I'll care a little more about the creatives' arguments when they start paying royalties to every drawing, painting, illustration, tv show, or movie they've ever seen. Until then, it's just a cash grab. No individual is all that creative, and anyone accomplished is standing on the shoulders of past giants to get there. The "what will we do for jobs argument?!?" would've applied to stage actors when movies came out a c…

You seem to mix a lot.

The first part is pseudo-argument. You compare apples and oranges. You treat education and massive steal of IP the same.

The second part seems to be a religious rehash of "The world keeps getting better as technology advances" this is not something guaranteed to continue and the world is not getting better from everyone. You seem to "overfit".

The third part does not guarantee a sustainable income for human creativity. Again your argument is shallow at best.

Re: What Was Sora Trained On? Creatives Demand Answers

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Post by photoGrant »

scarmig wrote: post #10
fatherzine wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the attitude of those that do it: "what are you going to do about it?". escalatory power games, not an ounce of caring for your fellow man, barely a veneer of. we have entered very dark waters. unclear where the exit is.

Preventing or slowing the development of AI is just a startling contempt for human life. Every day millions of people die unnecessarily. Willingness to let that happen because you think your family (or, most likely, a giant corporation) deserves to be paid for a century after you die is sheer selfishness and ignorance.

If this was all done in the open as hoped, as promised and the worlds scientists were in pursuit of the same goal, I'd accept these arguments all day and keep my ignorant mouth shut. But to lie and say otherwise goes against the timeline of history we're all a part of. OpenAI lied about its openness. It then aligned militarily. It didn't offer to remove your data before this came into effect, did it? Source me if I'm wrong.

A private company securing the worlds resources physically, financially and informationally and selling it to anyone of its choosing or not -- is the true startling contempt for human life, especially those that follow along without an ounce of critical thinking.

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Post by photoGrant »

throwaway598 wrote: post #36
photoGrant wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As per usual, money thinks of a human as a commodity for sale, not a neighbour being exploited or livelihood being stripped. If you think throwing life into a black box and consuming its results will improve productivity and enhance creativity. You're forgetting the only thing we feed this thing is 'results'. You're drinking the piss from a million artists and thinking it's fresh water. Eventually this filtered, cens…

Self driving cars are far more impactful on employment and livelihoods of lower income and independent workers. And seemingly harder to reach non-monopoly/oligopoly solutions.

I don't play football unless the goalposts remain stationary.
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