If purchasing isn't owning piracy isn't stealing.
Exactly. It's like if I take a rental car for a joyride. That shouldn't be illegal.
Isn't it a replica of the rental car in the analogy?
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#12That argument could, interestingly enough, technically apply to the power company or landlord as well. I mean people are renting a house and buying electricity to pirate right?
On a related note, if you're a renter and utilities are included in your rent, be sure to check the lease if there's a clause that prohibits high electricity consuming activities like running a home media server, a cryptominer, or growing certain plants.
Home media server? Won't that be on par with a lightbulb?
Re: Court blocks $1B copyright ruling that punished ISP for its users' piracy
#13That argument could, interestingly enough, technically apply to the power company or landlord as well. I mean people are renting a house and buying electricity to pirate right?
Nah. The ISP is the actual medium whose network was used to copy the alleged infringing content. So that's not analogous to all the utilities in use by the infringer.
I think the key differentiator is that Cox [somehow] knew that the customer was using their network to copy the alleged infringing content. The electric company doesn't know this, and (to use another example) the hard drive manufacturer doesn't know that their customer is storing the content on the drives the make.
If I were Cox, I suppose I would be incentivized to operate kind of like a VPN and just not store logs and not do any kind of traffic inspection or analysis. That way they might be able to argue that the plaintiff couldn't prove contributory infringement.
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#16Given so many people with strong feelings about copyright law, has there been any widely publicized occurence of jury nullification on a case like this?
Has there been any widely publicized occurrence of jury nullification on any case? I feel like it's something that certain people on the internet bring up a lot, but in reality pretty much never happens.
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Exactly. It's like if I take a rental car for a joyride. That shouldn't be illegal.
More so you look at a rental car from afar, and using your own mediums make your own exact copy, which you then use for a ride.
Except, you incur quite an expense making your own exact copy whereas copying some bits costs you such a low number that it approaches $0
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On a related note, if you're a renter and utilities are included in your rent, be sure to check the lease if there's a clause that prohibits high electricity consuming activities like running a home media server, a cryptominer, or growing certain plants.
I lived in a building that had the cost of electricity included in the rent for long-term tenants, but newer tenants had to pay for their own electricity use. One person I knew in the building was using their "free" electricity to mine cryptocurrency. This was, in my opinion, not far from stealing. Was it legal? Probably? Was it ethical? Not by a long shot.
I'd be curious if anyone thinks if mining crypto in this case is ethical. If so, why?
(It wasn't just a small amount -- there were many computers, running 24/7.)
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
On a related note, if you're a renter and utilities are included in your rent, be sure to check the lease if there's a clause that prohibits high electricity consuming activities like running a home media server, a cryptominer, or growing certain plants.
Home media server? Won't that be on par with a lightbulb?
Depends if you use a NUC or a 10 year old 2U HP rack server with redundant power supplies, 4 Xeons and 128GB of RAM.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
I lived in a building that had the cost of electricity included in the rent for long-term tenants, but newer tenants had to pay for their own electricity use. One person I knew in the building was using their "free" electricity to mine cryptocurrency. This was, in my opinion, not far from stealing. Was it legal? Probably? Was it ethical? Not by a long shot.
I'd be curious if anyone thinks if mining crypto in this case is ethical. If so, why? (It wasn't just a small amount -- there were many computers, running 24/7.)
I wonder how running several computers would compare to other high-current draws that we would consider normal use, like using an electric oven a lot (3kw, plausibly 10 computers).