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Capital One to buy Discover Financial in $35B stock deal

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Re: Capital One to buy Discover Financial in $35B stock deal

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> The deal, which is expected to receive intense antitrust scrutiny, So... it is highly possible/more than likely it will not go through?

I mean, T-Mobile bought Sprint. Antitrust laws might as well not exist in America

It’s unfortunate for business planning but probably fortunate for consumers that the FTC and DOJ change leadership with presidential terms —- Biden’s FTC is a much different entity than Trump’s was when Sprint and T Mobile merged.

Re: Capital One to buy Discover Financial in $35B stock deal

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I've always heard Discover was a good company to work for and they had the best customer support. Capital One is the opposite of both of those things so I hope the government steps in here.

I know someone who wasted two years trying to use a capital one secured credit card to help rebuild their credit history. The initial card offer was a $300 secured card and they figured it was the best they could do, ho hum, and just patiently plugged away For two years, they used the card routinely, paid if off religiously...sometimes having a monthly spend three times the limit. They would periodically request eith…

That certainly sucks, but also kind of makes sense?

Once they had the additional data that another company evaluated them as trustworthy, their trustworthiness to Capital One seems to have gone up. They didn’t want to be the only one bearing risk.

Re: Capital One to buy Discover Financial in $35B stock deal

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I've always heard Discover was a good company to work for and they had the best customer support. Capital One is the opposite of both of those things so I hope the government steps in here.

I can say I had a great customer experience with Discover recently. I'm saddened by this news

Re: Capital One to buy Discover Financial in $35B stock deal

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> The deal, which is expected to receive intense antitrust scrutiny, So... it is highly possible/more than likely it will not go through?

basically deal goes thru is p(republican admin takes over) + p(win in court) + p(settlement deal of some sort).

Trump won in 2016, then lost in 2020 because he lost XYZ groups of voters.

All of the people who didn't vote for Trump in 2020, why would they flip from Democrat to Republican and vote for him in 2024?

Re: Capital One to buy Discover Financial in $35B stock deal

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do North American consumers/merchants pay less in processing fees overall than European/Asian counterparts or is it roughly 1-3% all over the world?

As far as I can tell, consumer interchange fees in the US are significantly higher than they are in Europe. The interchange fees for Visa and MC consumer products within the EEU are 0.2–0.3%[0][1], whereas in the US they are from 1–3%[2][3]. [0] https://www.visa.co.uk/dam/VCOM/regional/ve/unitedkingdom/PD... [1] https://www.mastercard.co.uk/content/dam/public/mastercardco... [2] https://usa.visa.com/content/dam/VCOM/…

I asked ChatGPT about this. It said for interchange portion, sure. I'm not sure if EU payment processors finds a way to make it up in different portions of the fees so that it evens out to the same 1-3%?

Re: Capital One to buy Discover Financial in $35B stock deal

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post #12

> The deal, which is expected to receive intense antitrust scrutiny, So... it is highly possible/more than likely it will not go through?

I mean, T-Mobile bought Sprint. Antitrust laws might as well not exist in America

I mean, Spirit wasn't sold to JetBlue, and Adobe/Figma called off their courtship (likely due to fear of regulator disapproval) with in the past few months.

But before T-mobile bought Sprint, ATT was blocked from acquiring T-mobile.

Re: Capital One to buy Discover Financial in $35B stock deal

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Visa and Mastercard and their highly anticompetitive tactics early in the network landgrab for the payment card space foretold what would happen in the tech space (that is to say do whatever you can to win the landgrab which is exactly what Google/FB did). DFS never caught on. Now the landscape has changed and this deal sort of serves as a bookend. People in fintech should go after the Visa/MC monopoly. There is no “…

My feeling is Google / FB have done nothing close to Visa / MC when it comes to landgrabbing, but I am open to information / arguments.

I actually think it’s worse because it’s not as natural of a monopoly as it was for the payment network space. Google and Meta actively created a duopoly in the ad space and at a global scale too.

Re: Capital One to buy Discover Financial in $35B stock deal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know someone who wasted two years trying to use a capital one secured credit card to help rebuild their credit history. The initial card offer was a $300 secured card and they figured it was the best they could do, ho hum, and just patiently plugged away For two years, they used the card routinely, paid if off religiously...sometimes having a monthly spend three times the limit. They would periodically request eith…

That certainly sucks, but also kind of makes sense? Once they had the additional data that another company evaluated them as trustworthy, their trustworthiness to Capital One seems to have gone up. They didn’t want to be the only one bearing risk.

But that’s why competition is important, this only works if many companies are doing their own, independent risk assessment

Re: Capital One to buy Discover Financial in $35B stock deal

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post #12

> The deal, which is expected to receive intense antitrust scrutiny, So... it is highly possible/more than likely it will not go through?

I mean, T-Mobile bought Sprint. Antitrust laws might as well not exist in America

Sprint wouldn't have survived as an independent company. They made a fatal mistake by betting the company on WiMax and then the rest of the industry decided to go with 4G LTE instead. This left Sprint without enough capital to build out a competitive nationwide 5G network. Allowing T-Mobile to buy Sprint was a better outcome for consumers than allowing Sprint to slowly go bankrupt as there will now be three viable nationwide networks.
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