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Re: Lapce

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Post by WuxiFingerHold »

e12e wrote: post #33
29ebJCyy wrote: post #16

As someone who uses Neovim, I would love to have a near-vim experience in something that has all of the convenience of VSC + a great plugin ecosystem. However, I'm not sure about the fact that in `normal` mode `:` just brings up the `cmd+shift+p` command dialog. Maybe I could get used to it, but the fact that something as simple as my muscle memory for "I'm in `normal` mode, better type `:w` just to make sure I've sa…

Not vim (by design) - but have you tried helix? https://helix-editor.com

Helix is a dream, as far as I can say from having played a lot with it, but only played. To be fully comparable to some IDE or Neovim setup like LazyVim, you need to complement it with other tools and use some workarounds, e.g. working the files (tree) or custom snippets.

(I'm still using VS Code to get my stuff done, but in a couple of weeks I got some time to spent to re-evaluate Helix and Neovim.)

Re: Lapce

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Post by WuxiFingerHold »

jupblb wrote: post #63
ribelo wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Helix is a very good and well-managed project, but it's quite hostile towards its own community. There are no plugins, and they won't be in Wasm like users want, but in Scheme dialect named Steel, that nobody want... if at all. Missing features like copilot or file browser expected by the community are essentially never merged into the master. This might be a better path than total dispersion and destruction of what…

"good and well-managed" vs "[merges everything] users want" - pick one

Generally agreed, but in the editor space that's where plugins come into play. The plugin story for Helix is a long one, but I think it's converging and bet it's coming within this year.

Re: Lapce

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Post by WuxiFingerHold »

BoppreH wrote: post #74

I'm shopping for an IDE with Vim keybindings, but this doesn't seem to be it yet. Points for having Vim-like support out of the box, but most of what I tried failed, including: - Exiting insertion mode with ctrl+c or ctrl+[ - Shift+U to undo all changes done to the current line - `di[` to delete the contents inside the current [ - `dta` to delete everything until the next `a` - Shift+[ and shift+] to jump paragraphs…

> I'm shopping for an IDE with Vim keybindings

Me too. Both extension for VS Code have too many quirks for me, and I left the Jetbrains world and intend not to go back (due to too many disappointing support issues).

Re: Lapce

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Post by WuxiFingerHold »

lchen_hn wrote: post #85

What’s the benefit for a neovim user? Meaning I already got LSP, treesitter, it works in a terminal. I cannot think of a reason to even try this.

My point of view as well. Once you learned how to configure Neovim with all the features you need, there's no better IDE out there (except IntelliJ for Java), because none is as customized to your personal needs and preferences. The challenge is the getting there, but why should one leave it?

Re: Lapce

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Post by WuxiFingerHold »

mafuyu wrote: post #38
debrisapron wrote: post #25

I am constantly confused by text editors pitching themselves on speed. Is the world really full of developers going crazy with frustration because they’re waiting on vs code to do something? I opened a 100,000 line text file a few days ago & it rendered in like half a second, considering I do this about once a year it’s really more than good enough.

It’s the small latencies that add up for me. I usually use a tmux + nvim setup, but for codebases that require a bit more language server support (eg. C++20 and sometimes Rust), I have a VS Code setup with the nvim plugin that I’ve spent way too many hours tweaking hot keys and things. Despite all my tweaking, VSCode sometimes just feels like it’s a beat behind, and keyboard commands get dropped in the transition bet…

> but for codebases that require a bit more language server support (eg. C++20 and sometimes Rust)

Unfortunately, for this use-case, neither Zed or Laplace will likely to fill the gap, as they rely only on LSP as Neovim. That's also my issue with both: They should focus more on providing features to support coding, not just speed.

Re: Lapce

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Post by WuxiFingerHold »

pandemic_region wrote: post #121
baby wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's just that everybody has been looking for THE editor, and so it is natural that people would develop their own. I think what we're seeing is that VSCode is becoming THE editor (if it's not already there). At this point it's hard to compete. I think the biggest contender is IntelliJ, as many people really seem to enjoy it, but I would predict that it's going to be hard to fight against free.

Is anybody else finding Intellij more and more getting in the way in an obtrusive manner? Code completion suggestions are getting worse, formatting ability is basically none existent if your statement is missing a comma or a lambda, it keeps reindexing my local maven repo, code completions are slow to appear... I was a huge fan of their products but now I'm getting more and more annoyed. Maybe I'm getting old? Severa…

I noticed that a couple of years ago. 10 years ago or so, Jetbrains was the gold standard. Then support and quality started to rot. Issues not resolved for years, esp. for Webstorm. Instead building new products and features I was not interested in. I needed proper tailwind support back then, not some cloud colab solution for enterprises.

Re: Lapce

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Post by eviks »

sph wrote: post #42

Making a fast editor is such a common hobby, everybody seems to be working on one these days apparently, yet memory safety and speed has never been a real problem in editors. It would be much more impressive to explore a novel approach for editors more extensible than Emacs, or with a more innovative editing model than vim's. If we are reinventing the wheel, why not at least try to make a better wheel that's never be…

Yet there are common complaints about how slow emacs is, same for VSCode performance.

And a better wheel is much harder (but there is a feature request for helix mode, that's more innovative than vim, maybe they'll add that)

Re: Lapce

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Post by juliangmp »

dzhou121 wrote: post #145

Lapce dev here. Firstly sorry for the bad experience for some people. Just a bit of context here to explain the status of the project. The first line of code was started around 2018 as a personal project. And as of today, we still don't have anyone who works on it full time. We don't want to defend ourselves too much here, because there are very good quality code editors out there such as Helix, which is also communi…

There's no need to apologize, after all you're making this for free.

Re: Lapce

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Post by cultofmetatron »

SpaghettiCthulu wrote: post #160
cultofmetatron wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it seemes closer ti what I actually need than zed. love zed's speed but remote development is mandatory in thus day and age

What makes you say that remote development is mandatory? I think it has less to do with "this day and age" and more to do with your current employment.

For me and a lot of people it is. But not because of employment. one big use of remote is to remote into docker containers. why docker containers? I can have a different set of dependencies for each project and yet have my different systems communicate with each other over a network.

but for me, the big issue is I run phoenix framework and the older version I'm running my project on can't run the tests on the arm version of docker os I had to create a x86 machine on hetzner.

Re: Lapce

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Post by ryloric »

jasonjmcghee wrote: post #32

I try this editor every few months to see how it's progressing and is still way too early to use as a daily driver. People suggest this over Zed very frequently. In my experience Zed is way more mature and stable. That being said, it's no one near as usable as neovim with a good plugin setup, let alone a mature ide like Jetbrains products. Jetbrains IDEs might be slow, but I'll get a hell of a lot more done in 8 hour…

I too use intellij and neovim for everything and agree mostly, but what's your motivation to check out new editors? Is it for just for fun? In my mind an editor is one of those things I wouldn't consider changing unless the alternative is heavily funded and leagues much better than my current choice.
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