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Re: Let me clear a huge misunderstanding

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Post by justanotherjoe »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #40
justanotherjoe wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course. But stable diffusion can do that. It understands what a cat is and can draw cat wearing a hat. Videos are about actions, cause and effect, which is entirely different thing than still pictures.

It doesn't understand a cat at all. Humans understand, models are deterministic functions with some randomness added in. Just because it appears to understand doesn't make it so.

diffusion models can reliably draw a cat when prompted a cat and given a random noise. Sure it's deterministic, but it can work with any random noise in a explorative kind of way. I'd say it's very general in it's 'understanding' of a cat.

Re: Let me clear a huge misunderstanding

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Post by Mistletoe »

zmgsabst wrote: post #41
awaythrow999 wrote: post #34

It's impossible to access this content (even more so now that nitter is dead). Should HN continue driving traffic to a site that is entirely inaccessible?

I don’t understand: This link opens the post for me, while paywalled news is semi-routinely posted. What’s the objection?

Sometimes Twitter links won’t open for me now without being logged in. I’ve loved the change because it has helped me not use Twitter at all. This one opened for me though.

Re: Let me clear a huge misunderstanding

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Post by OJFord »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #40
justanotherjoe wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course. But stable diffusion can do that. It understands what a cat is and can draw cat wearing a hat. Videos are about actions, cause and effect, which is entirely different thing than still pictures.

It doesn't understand a cat at all. Humans understand, models are deterministic functions with some randomness added in. Just because it appears to understand doesn't make it so.

What is understanding though? I 'appear to understand' what a cat is, why does being human make it that I do so? What is the difference between making the correct associations and actually 'understanding' anyway?

Re: Let me clear a huge misunderstanding

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Post by kibwen »

badgersnake wrote: post #39
awaythrow999 wrote: post #34

It's impossible to access this content (even more so now that nitter is dead). Should HN continue driving traffic to a site that is entirely inaccessible?

Given tweets are so short, just paste the whole tweet into the text. If it’s a whole thread though then just don’t bother. That approach to blogging is just dumb.

Microblogging is a failed experiment. What a detriment to humanity.

Re: Let me clear a huge misunderstanding

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

OJFord wrote: post #53
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't understand a cat at all. Humans understand, models are deterministic functions with some randomness added in. Just because it appears to understand doesn't make it so.

What is understanding though? I 'appear to understand' what a cat is, why does being human make it that I do so? What is the difference between making the correct associations and actually 'understanding' anyway?

Understanding, in this context, is what humans do, by definition. Until you have a concrete definition of what understanding is you can't apply it to anything else. Informal definitions of understanding by those who experience it aren't very useful at all.

Re: Let me clear a huge misunderstanding

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Post by OJFord »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #55
OJFord wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is understanding though? I 'appear to understand' what a cat is, why does being human make it that I do so? What is the difference between making the correct associations and actually 'understanding' anyway?

Understanding, in this context, is what humans do, by definition. Until you have a concrete definition of what understanding is you can't apply it to anything else. Informal definitions of understanding by those who experience it aren't very useful at all.

I think that's my point? You were willing to say it doesn't apply without a definition?

Re: Let me clear a huge misunderstanding

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Post by stavros »

timschmidt wrote: post #30
vasco wrote: post #15

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If we cut all the videos in the world in half, half of the videos will be continuations. Or another way of saying, all video is continuation, so I'm with you, not sure why it would be pointless. In fact, a continuation based workflow with prompting seems like the easiest way to get a specific effect.

Quick, feed in season 1 of Firefly.

As opposed to season 2? :(

Re: Let me clear a huge misunderstanding

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Post by optimalsolver »

ml-anon wrote: post #49

LeCun is such a hack and is guilty exactly the same hype as OpenAI. Firstly his insistence on “self supervised learning” which is just a wrong and unhelpful rebranding of existing methodologies. Followed by talking about VicREG as if it’s a meaningful contribution and not just hacked together crap which is not only theoretically unfounded but plain nonsensical. Followed again by his “JEPA” work which again is just a…

>“self supervised learning” which is just a wrong and unhelpful rebranding of existing methodologies

What are those methodologies?

Re: Let me clear a huge misunderstanding

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Post by yreg »

awaythrow999 wrote: post #46
yreg wrote: post #38

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hn should drive traffic wherever the content is published / mirrored. If there are multiple options, choose the most public one. We shouldn't censor ourselves and not discuss information that was posted on twitter.

Other paywalled content at least can be opened with archive.md and friends. Usually people here kindly post a link for convenience to archive. With twotter that no longer works. So this type of content means that in order to follow the discussion I must also be a twitter subscriber. Maybe people could consider first creating an archive.org snapshot that is then linked instead. Would be the kind thing to do and help t…

> Maybe people could consider first creating an archive.org snapshot that is then linked instead

Yes, that would be the best way to handle this.

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