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Juvenile great apes love to tease and annoy their elders, study finds

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#11
It’s funny being the parent of teenagers and witnessing this behavior. It’s frequently frustrating and hurtful so it helps to realize that it’s just part of life and not something truly directed at me.

It’s the simple things like ape genes, and having basic needs met.

I kind of feel like it’s all this little stuff that bubbles up. Like keeping inflammation low in general.

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#12
First, they annoy the elders.

Then when they grow up to be teenagers, they live in a cave and communicate mostly through grunting. I am at this phase with my children and I make inhumane efforts not to react and let it flow.

I hope that when their brain actually fires up when they are 25 or 30, they will be nice kids who realize what their parents when through to raise them.

Please comment only to confirm this, I am desperate.

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First, they annoy the elders. Then when they grow up to be teenagers, they live in a cave and communicate mostly through grunting. I am at this phase with my children and I make inhumane efforts not to react and let it flow. I hope that when their brain actually fires up when they are 25 or 30, they will be nice kids who realize what their parents when through to raise them. Please comment only to confirm this, I am…

That is correct, at some point after 25 their behavior shifts. The change is extreme, eventually they complain about other child/teenage humans and forget they themselves were in that stage not that long ago.

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First, they annoy the elders. Then when they grow up to be teenagers, they live in a cave and communicate mostly through grunting. I am at this phase with my children and I make inhumane efforts not to react and let it flow. I hope that when their brain actually fires up when they are 25 or 30, they will be nice kids who realize what their parents when through to raise them. Please comment only to confirm this, I am…

Can confirm, you got this

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First, they annoy the elders. Then when they grow up to be teenagers, they live in a cave and communicate mostly through grunting. I am at this phase with my children and I make inhumane efforts not to react and let it flow. I hope that when their brain actually fires up when they are 25 or 30, they will be nice kids who realize what their parents when through to raise them. Please comment only to confirm this, I am…

The juveniles suffer from some of the weaknesses of their parents and all of the weaknesses of the species.

The context of the social group may also have instilled poor social habits in both the juveniles and the elders.

When the elders have gathered enough simple experiences to understand these factors clearly instead of simply seeing the juveniles as being unquestionably destined for greatness in Learning and Civilisation, it is likely that a real social bond can be formed.

Improved communication and gestures of mutual caring have often been observed subsequently.

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First, they annoy the elders. Then when they grow up to be teenagers, they live in a cave and communicate mostly through grunting. I am at this phase with my children and I make inhumane efforts not to react and let it flow. I hope that when their brain actually fires up when they are 25 or 30, they will be nice kids who realize what their parents when through to raise them. Please comment only to confirm this, I am…

I don't know the whole 25 thing seems to be just mainly be something like a meme. You go out and you can meet extremely personable, social, and polite, teens all the time. You can also find the grunters. Sometimes it's just personality. Sometimes it's dealing with puberty. Sometimes it's genuflecting against authority. As long as you support them, give them guidance in a respectful way, and involve yourself in their interests, most teens end up totally well adjusted by the time they finish high-school.

(Also, I bet your teens would agree that your efforts are "inhumane")

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First, they annoy the elders. Then when they grow up to be teenagers, they live in a cave and communicate mostly through grunting. I am at this phase with my children and I make inhumane efforts not to react and let it flow. I hope that when their brain actually fires up when they are 25 or 30, they will be nice kids who realize what their parents when through to raise them. Please comment only to confirm this, I am…

If your parents are still around, ask them how they dealt with it when you were going through that phase.

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Seems like a good thread in which to recommend Chimp Empire on Netflix. It's beautifully shot, and quite dramatic. I wondered whether they had manufactured some of the storylines from the thousands of hours of footage, but according to a couple of interviews with uninvolved scientists that I read, it mostly checks out as an accurate portrayal.

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> From 75 hours of footage taken at San Diego and Leipzig zoos, scientists documented 142 clear instances of great apes teasing their compadres Less than 2 teases per hour! I wish some juvenile homo sapiens I know were that well behaved.

Game theory tells us the most effective strategy is matching their energy until they shift modalities.

Sometimes, adults deny this truth to their own detriment because they’re “smart” or “civilized”.

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