Did anyone actually ever put web apps on their home screen?
Yeah.
It’s Official, Apple Kills Web Apps in the EU
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#72The amount of money lost in corporations for internal or app store avoiding apps by this decision is mind blowing.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is quite often where people make the greatest mistake. It's all about distribution and customer usage. Most people hate and don't use PWAs. What stands in the way are Native iPhone apps are better. It also goes for android too. That's why PWAs fail. If they were successful Apple would find a way to monetise the hell out of them.
Most people don't use PWAs... as they exist today. What would happen if Google added all the APIs to Chrome that are needed for every one of their iOS apps, and then offered them as "PWAs that work best with Google Chrome"? Google would not have to abide by App Store rules, nor the rules for app marketplaces, nor pay the Core Technology Fee of half a euro per install. Apple's entire approach of using their status as…
It may have to do something with the fact that if you cannot trust Apple not to break web apps like they are planning to do now, companies will not invest in web apps.
Also, most companies have native apps already so no need to reproduce them.
Web apps are a future competitor, not a present one. They are really suited for smaller cross platform projects but if you follow how the web evolves, nowadays they are just a serious thing to consider for any kinds of software projects.
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#74> It’s telling that this is the feature that Apple refused to share. And it makes sense: the idea that users could install safe and secure apps that Apple can’t tax, block or control is terrifying to them. I think that’s what this decision is all about. When Safari was the only browser engine on iOS, PWAs didn’t threaten the App Store because Safari delivers a degraded experience with them. With alternative browser e…
This is quite often where people make the greatest mistake. It's all about distribution and customer usage. Most people hate and don't use PWAs. What stands in the way are Native iPhone apps are better. It also goes for android too. That's why PWAs fail. If they were successful Apple would find a way to monetise the hell out of them.
Our apps are available as webapps. 100% identical user experience. All functionality. Including notifications, offline, storage, performance and more. We have over 50m installs. Where do you get your info from? Really curious.
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#76I made the mistake of only carrying an iPad during my most recent holidays. What a useless piece of junk this is.
iPads work well enough at home to watch movies or play a couple of games, but trying to do any kind of serious work on them, either editing photos, writing something, sending files, even trying to use a sequencer is an exercise in frustration.
We are sooo lucky there (still) exist alternative computing solutions other than these things made by a company obsessed with control and extracting the maximum possible value out of every movement of their users.
Apple is the evilest of evils. It must be fought with great determination if we are concerned with freedom.
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#77Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39388218 - Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose (techcrunch.com) (815 points / 1 day ago / 766 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39386244 - Apple confirms iOS 17.4 removes Home Screen web apps in the EU (9to5mac.com) (112 points / 1 day ago/ 125 comments)
Did this just get marked as dupe to pull it off the front page? How outrageous.
The link has not been posted before.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
you are right, I could have expected this but I just did not... I did not expect Apple to try another round... their argument is just so transparent and weak in my eyes I am studying DMA and I still think there is no way they can get away with this I would really love some open discussion somewhere with legal experts and Chromium, Gecko, Webkit engineers, even android, windows, linux, mac, ios engineers. But even wit…
Apple uses W^X, meaning all the executable code is included in the app download. If the app writes to some memory, eg after downloading something from the internet, it can't then jump into- execute- that memory. When Apple or anybody reviews an app's compiled code, the code they review is always the entirety of the code that can run on a user's device. This applies for App Store and for new post-DMA marketplaces (tha…
well if you trusted Apple with Safari you can do so
why is it such a problem foryou if I trust Google with Chrome on an iPhone or Microsoft or Mozilla?
I find this extremely misleading: "the exception is already bad for iPhone security"... not if you stay with Safari
I travel regularly on rails with a private train company instead of the train company that actually built those rails... Apple has nothing to do with iPhones that get compromised because of Google or Microsoft or Mozilla
Apple should concentrate on Safari and stop fearmongering... or just solve these iOS challenges to make every web browser more secure
how come macOS is just fine with fully capable web browsers?
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't mean just adding an improved notification API, I mean they could literally allow access to the entire SwiftUI and all other iOS APIs from the web. Heck, they could allow PWAs to run in Objective-C instead of JavaScript. At that point it would be indistinguishable from a native app, except that it would not be beholden to Apple's policies like Core Technology Fee, notarisation, payment scare screens, etc ( htt…
You can use web notifications, and you can compile Objective C to webassembly. You're also able to use apple pay. Everything you've mentioned has a workaround. I'm really getting at how PWAs are basically something most people wouldn't use, not because they're missing APIs but because they're just a terrible experience and difficult to install and use. If its Apple that is holding back PWAs so much, its not that they…
There is another thing holding PWAs back: they don’t offer as much data mining potential as native apps. A lot of companies sabotage their own web apps just to force you to use the spyware in the App Store, and I’ll admit that isn’t Apple’s fault.
Re: It’s Official, Apple Kills Web Apps in the EU
#80Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39388218 - Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose (techcrunch.com) (815 points / 1 day ago / 766 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39386244 - Apple confirms iOS 17.4 removes Home Screen web apps in the EU (9to5mac.com) (112 points / 1 day ago/ 125 comments)
Did this just get marked as dupe to pull it off the front page? How outrageous. The link has not been posted before.
and they changed my title
not just the link was new from open web advocacy, I also posted actually a piece to try to have a more focused and deep conversation
so they changed my original title that was actually funny and to the point, marked as duplicate and so the writer of the article from open web advocacy and my article-like comment was shadow banned, thanks!