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Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by behringer »

_heimdall wrote: post #160
protonmail wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi! PGP is open source, and therefore Proton Mail's encryption is interoperable with anyone who uses PGP to encrypt their emails: https://proton.me/blog/what-is-pgp-encryption . Proton Mail also allows you to send password-protected emails to anyone: https://proton.me/support/open-password-protected-emails .

PGP is its own protocol though, right? Meaning it is an optional addition to email and not part of the email spec at all?

I guess I fail to see the relevance between the distinction.

If you want end to end encryption, both ends can just run their own email servers.

Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by protonmail »

_heimdall wrote: post #160
protonmail wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi! PGP is open source, and therefore Proton Mail's encryption is interoperable with anyone who uses PGP to encrypt their emails: https://proton.me/blog/what-is-pgp-encryption . Proton Mail also allows you to send password-protected emails to anyone: https://proton.me/support/open-password-protected-emails .

PGP is its own protocol though, right? Meaning it is an optional addition to email and not part of the email spec at all?

Yes, but all emails exchanged between two Proton accounts, as well as between a Proton account and a non-Proton user who relies on PGP encryption, are protected by PGP.

Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by protonmail »

upofadown wrote: post #159
protonmail wrote: post #157

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This depends on the exit node, so if you are experiencing this, we recommend trying another one. If it persists, contact us here so we can take a closer look: https://proton.me/support/contact

Experiencing what? To phrase my question differently: can someone show up on a Tor connection and make a new account without giving Proton any indication of who they are? So that in the case they abuse the account somehow, the only thing that Proton can do is just cancel the account?

Experiencing an additional verification step - sorry if we were unclear. Yes, you should be able to create a new account using our onion page or access our website via Tor browser. Additionally, you can create a Proton Mail account while connected to a no-logs VPN, which will also help protect your identity.

Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by dotnet00 »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #147
dartharva wrote: post #126

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Many would say that regarding this decision, yes. But they'd be overlooking the kind of exceptional dilemma the court faced in this case - it was not just about determining what club gets a legal right over public property, but about defusing a several generations-long historical and religious conflict of vastly higher scale. In the end they had to pass a judgement that antagonized the least number of people and prev…

Isnt it just convenient. To hell with due process and law and justice and equality. Give a judgenent that offends least number of people, be it right or wrong. You know how that sounds like? A corrupt judiciary that's at the whims of satisfying the ego of masses. Btw >The incident, which resulted in heavy casualties, had shaken the entire nation and the collective conscience of the society will only be satisfied if t…

That literally is the point of much of how the justice system functions all over the world.

Part of the factors they have to consider is for the people to be sufficiently satisfied that justice was done. After all, the system relies on the people having confidence that the system works. The perpetrator of a brutal rape and murder not being given the death penalty when the entire country is out on the streets demanding his blood, would be a grave miscarriage of justice (as long as he was indeed the perpetrator).

Especially with the case of the masjid, there wasn't going to be a right answer either way, as Hindus also made a historical claim to the land.

Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by upofadown »

protonmail wrote: post #163
upofadown wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Experiencing what? To phrase my question differently: can someone show up on a Tor connection and make a new account without giving Proton any indication of who they are? So that in the case they abuse the account somehow, the only thing that Proton can do is just cancel the account?

Experiencing an additional verification step - sorry if we were unclear. Yes, you should be able to create a new account using our onion page or access our website via Tor browser. Additionally, you can create a Proton Mail account while connected to a no-logs VPN, which will also help protect your identity.

Just to be completely clear, could you address my rephrased question directly?

Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

bheadmaster wrote: post #151
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #72

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> In every law, there should be a requirement that it either gets enforced equally, or it loses power. The evil twin of this is maximized enforcement where enforcement and punishment have become a strong focus and shaping societal behavior is maybe a justification. It is the point at which we have lost our way.

Which in turn is caused by inflexibility of law change. If a law in place is found to be overly strict or general, then it should be changed or removed, and doing so should be simple and swift.

> If a law in place is found to be overly strict or general, then it should be changed or removed, and doing so should be simple and swift.

This would be a sweet world to live in. We'd have to change many reward systems to get there.

Pointedly, we'd have to improve public thinking - but most folks have already made their easy, positive changes. What's left are difficult positive changes and easy negative changes.

Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by dartharva »

ridiculous_leke wrote: post #143
recroad wrote: post #14

India for all intents and purposes is now an ethno-national state with no press freedom, severe persecution of minorities, and human rights violations aplenty. I grew up in India when it was a relatively secular state. For example, when the Babri Masjid (mosque) was destroyed by Hindus in the early 90s, the national magazine, India Today and major newspapers led with the headline, "India's Shame" and acknowledge how…

Such claims have absolutely no relevance to the story. The block request came from Tamil Nadu police where major politics is on the opposite end of the spectrum. I wish I could go back to the time where people actually read the article and stay on point.

> I wish I could go back to the time where people actually read the article and stay on point.

Has such a time ever existed?

Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by bongoman37 »

unmole wrote: post #60
recroad wrote: post #14

India for all intents and purposes is now an ethno-national state with no press freedom, severe persecution of minorities, and human rights violations aplenty. I grew up in India when it was a relatively secular state. For example, when the Babri Masjid (mosque) was destroyed by Hindus in the early 90s, the national magazine, India Today and major newspapers led with the headline, "India's Shame" and acknowledge how…

> ethno-national state Arguably the most diverse country in the world is an ethno-national state?

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Re: Indian government moves to ban ProtonMail after bomb threat

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Post by derpitron »

web108 wrote: post #138
derpitron wrote: post #122

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This comment is filled with so many half-truths and misinformation, it should not belong here. Please respect hacker news guidelines https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html * Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity.*

Care to tell me what exactly is "misinformation" when every point has been cited from articles by reputable local/international media sources?

If your only argument is about a so called "western bias", forgive me for laughing. I'm under no obligation to kowtow to the delusions of an authoritarian country and it's supporters.

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