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Re: The seventh most popular easily understood unsolved problem on MathOverflow

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One of the comments was "the Collatz conjecture feels like we're missing a branch of mathematics", or something to that effect. I followed that rabbit hole a bit and found the Plya conjecture[0], which was disproven when a counter example was found at approximately 10^361. Here I was naively thinking that if no counter examples were found in the first, say, 10^10 numbers, no counter examples should exist. If only it…

One of my favorite mathematical tangents involves a theorem of Littlewood. The prime number theorem states that the prime counting function $\pi(x)$ is well approximated by the integral $\int_0^x \frac{dt} {\log t},$ which is a function that's become named $\mathrm{li}(x).$ Littlewood proved that the sign of $\pi(x) - \li(x)$ changes infinitely often, but his proof didn't produce a specific value where such a sign ch…

> That upper bound has since been lowered in 1999 to 1.38922 * 10^316 here: ... > > but I have no idea if it's possible to actually write down all the digits of the current best upper bound.

I'm probably missing something that should be obvious, but why wouldn't it be possible to write down 317 digits?

Re: The seventh most popular easily understood unsolved problem on MathOverflow

#72

One of the comments was "the Collatz conjecture feels like we're missing a branch of mathematics", or something to that effect. I followed that rabbit hole a bit and found the Plya conjecture[0], which was disproven when a counter example was found at approximately 10^361. Here I was naively thinking that if no counter examples were found in the first, say, 10^10 numbers, no counter examples should exist. If only it…

But that is true. According to the article you posted, a counter example _was_ found in less than 10^10

Re: The seventh most popular easily understood unsolved problem on MathOverflow

#73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of my favorite mathematical tangents involves a theorem of Littlewood. The prime number theorem states that the prime counting function $\pi(x)$ is well approximated by the integral $\int_0^x \frac{dt} {\log t},$ which is a function that's become named $\mathrm{li}(x).$ Littlewood proved that the sign of $\pi(x) - \li(x)$ changes infinitely often, but his proof didn't produce a specific value where such a sign ch…

> That upper bound has since been lowered in 1999 to 1.38922 * 10^316 here: ... > > but I have no idea if it's possible to actually write down all the digits of the current best upper bound. I'm probably missing something that should be obvious, but why wouldn't it be possible to write down 317 digits?

Lol, no, I had a brain fart. I was thinking it was 10^10^316.

There might be a problem with actually calculating the 317 digits though. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯

The wiki article on Skewes number also notes that the bound has been lowered to 1.397162×10^316 in 2011.

Re: The seventh most popular easily understood unsolved problem on MathOverflow

#74

One of the comments was "the Collatz conjecture feels like we're missing a branch of mathematics", or something to that effect. I followed that rabbit hole a bit and found the Plya conjecture[0], which was disproven when a counter example was found at approximately 10^361. Here I was naively thinking that if no counter examples were found in the first, say, 10^10 numbers, no counter examples should exist. If only it…

Well in this case you weren't wrong about the first 10^10 numbers:

> the smallest counterexample is n = 906,150,257, found by Minoru Tanaka in 1980.[5]

Re: The seventh most popular easily understood unsolved problem on MathOverflow

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If it is "undecidable" this means there is no counterexample to the Collatz conjecture, since any counterexample would disprove it. But the Collatz conjecture does exactly state that there are no counterexamples. Which means: If it is undecidable, it is true. Which seems a bit paradoxical. If you can prove that the Collatz conjecture is undecidable, you would also prove that it has no counterexamples, and thus that i…

> If it is undecidable, it is true. That is the case for something like Goldbach's Conjecture, which says that every even number > 2 is the sum of two primes. If it's false, then there is a counterexample, and it is easy to prove whether or not a given number is a counterexample (just loop over all pairs of smaller primes). But that is not the case for the Collatz Conjecture. A Collatz counterexample could be a numbe…

Thanks for this correction.

Re: The seventh most popular easily understood unsolved problem on MathOverflow

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post #17

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I believe inability to do arithmetic correctly is more common in folks with maths and other STEM degrees

There are three kinds of mathematicians...

just looked that up, i like.

Re: The seventh most popular easily understood unsolved problem on MathOverflow

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post #38

Here's a fairly easily understood problem, which if you could solve it would make you famous in the mathematical world and win you a million dollar prize: For a positive integer n: Let H(n) = 1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + ... + 1/n Let D(n) = the sum of the positive integers that divide n. E.g., D(12) = 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 6 + 12 = 28. Prove or disprove that for any positive integer n > 1: D(n) That easy to understand problem turns ou…

What a weird coincidence, I was just looking at this paper today for a different reason.

Care to tell us the reason?

Re: The seventh most popular easily understood unsolved problem on MathOverflow

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post #23

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>Here I was naively thinking that if no counter examples were found in the first, say, 10^10 numbers, no counter examples should exist why on earth would you ever think that

Why do you assume the sun will rise tomorrow?

I don't just assume, I have my bottom dollar riding on it!

Re: The seventh most popular easily understood unsolved problem on MathOverflow

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I'm sorry, but who needs this? If the answer is "we will discover new math methods trying to solve that puzzle", isn't it better to discover new math methods trying to solve something useful?

The history of math is rife with useless puzzles generating useful solutions for other things.
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