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OpenAI completes deal that values the company at $80B

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Re: OpenAI completes deal that values the company at $80B

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AI Hype. Same applies to NVidia(40x sales valuation! The pickaxe seller). Their technology can be easily replicated given enough time, just look at open source LLMs already beating GPT3. Google, Claude and others showing their strengths, already par to GPT-4 and even better in some scenarios. Training is expensive, but it isn't expensive up to what they are valued at. It's good because that capital likely made a few…

If NVIDIA could be easily replicated, Intel would have done it.

Re: OpenAI completes deal that values the company at $80B

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post #21

AI Hype. Same applies to NVidia(40x sales valuation! The pickaxe seller). Their technology can be easily replicated given enough time, just look at open source LLMs already beating GPT3. Google, Claude and others showing their strengths, already par to GPT-4 and even better in some scenarios. Training is expensive, but it isn't expensive up to what they are valued at. It's good because that capital likely made a few…

If NVIDIA could be easily replicated, Intel would have done it.

Given enough time they will and won't be able to get 70%+ margins for their hardware.

There are multiple initiatives to eat their lunch which is based on Cuda.Their advantage isn't even in hardware, but rather how they've invested years and years in having integrated software + hardware solution for AI.

Re: OpenAI completes deal that values the company at $80B

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If NVIDIA could be easily replicated, Intel would have done it.

Given enough time they will and won't be able to get 70%+ margins for their hardware. There are multiple initiatives to eat their lunch which is based on Cuda.Their advantage isn't even in hardware, but rather how they've invested years and years in having integrated software + hardware solution for AI.

“Given enough time” assumes competition will catch up while leader stays idle.

If leader is still innovating at a pace greater than any competition, then competition will never catch up.

Re: OpenAI completes deal that values the company at $80B

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$50M/employee. Looks like a record. Can also be a sign how AI increases productivity and value of an employee.

Nvidia has 26,000 employees and is worth 1.8 trillion which puts it at 69 million/employee.

I bet most employees get a slight fraction of that 69 million.

Imagine what having more millionaires would do for the world and the economy ? Such a silly system we’ve created.

Re: OpenAI completes deal that values the company at $80B

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It will all evaporate the day we get a better demo from someone else. The game has become capital/market capture before that event happens.

This is the colonization mentality of the west in over drive, only today capital/hype is used instead of armies. It will fail just faster than the colonies fell.

The Hype engineering mega machine doesnt understand effiency is a double edged sword. Getting over efficient in one dimension (hype/market capture) weakens the machine in other dimensions.

Re: OpenAI completes deal that values the company at $80B

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given enough time they will and won't be able to get 70%+ margins for their hardware. There are multiple initiatives to eat their lunch which is based on Cuda.Their advantage isn't even in hardware, but rather how they've invested years and years in having integrated software + hardware solution for AI.

“Given enough time” assumes competition will catch up while leader stays idle. If leader is still innovating at a pace greater than any competition, then competition will never catch up.

This is assuming everything continues in the same direction the dominating company is innovating in though right?

Maybe AI is here forever, maybe there are different approaches that will blindside them?

Re: OpenAI completes deal that values the company at $80B

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If NVIDIA could be easily replicated, Intel would have done it.

Given enough time they will and won't be able to get 70%+ margins for their hardware. There are multiple initiatives to eat their lunch which is based on Cuda.Their advantage isn't even in hardware, but rather how they've invested years and years in having integrated software + hardware solution for AI.

Your idea of "easy" is stupid. Possible yes easy , no. And all that money they spend to catchup just to find Nvidia used that time to RD the next step. At this level it's a patent game. Also at this level the companies literally employ the best in their field. The best out of 8 billion. Replicating talent is impossible.

Re: OpenAI completes deal that values the company at $80B

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AI Hype. Same applies to NVidia(40x sales valuation! The pickaxe seller). Their technology can be easily replicated given enough time, just look at open source LLMs already beating GPT3. Google, Claude and others showing their strengths, already par to GPT-4 and even better in some scenarios. Training is expensive, but it isn't expensive up to what they are valued at. It's good because that capital likely made a few…

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