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My sixth year as a bootstrapped founder

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Re: My sixth year as a bootstrapped founder

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how did you source the metal enclosure? I'm interested in making my products look more "professional" but don't know how I'd go about it

It was quite an ordeal!

Our hardware engineering partner subcontracted the design to a team of industrial designers they'd worked with in the past. We ordered prototypes of the design from both China and vendors in the US. The Chinese versions were better by leaps and bounds.[0]

We iterated a few times from there and eventually landed on a design we liked and worked with the Chinese vendor to produce the first few thousand. The Chinese vendor kept running into issues, though, so they were producing them at about 50% the speed they quoted, which was just barely enough to keep up with our sales.

When we switched to the contract manufacturer, they took over manufacturing the cases in Vietnam. They had trouble getting started as well, but they got the hang of it after a couple of months and can produce cases much faster than we consume them.

[0] https://mtlynch.io/retrospectives/2022/11/#with-metal-cases-...

Re: My sixth year as a bootstrapped founder

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> right now the business has a profit, and therefore a valuation, closer to zero You’re thinking of this like an engineer rather than a business person. 1. When selling a business like this, the $236k would be called SDI or SDE (seller discretionary income/earnings). 2. The buyer determines what, if any, of that SDE will need to go to paying someone to do what the seller does. These duties could be assumed by the buy…

GP does not suggest a valuation of zero. GP says that the profit and valuation is closer to zero. It is not crystal clear if this means "closer to zero than it is to $236k" or "closer to zero than $236k is" (i.e., less than $236k). The second is undoubtedly true. The first may also be true, but would depend on the cost at which the labor can be outsourced reliably, and what oversight would need to be done of these ou…

The other poster is right, if you told someone who knows about business valuations about this conversation they'd be confused and bemused.

Easiest place to start is valuations arent capped at one year of profit, or last years profit...the silly mistake is the one year thing, the more advanced mistake is looking at profit instead of cash flow.

Re: My sixth year as a bootstrapped founder

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Thanks for reading and for the kind words! > Have you always been so disciplined in life? If not, how did you improve it? No, I was a lot less disciplined when I was younger. I remember as a teen trying to learn Java several times and always getting bored a day or two in. I was a good student, but I would procrastinate work and distract myself while working. I probably became more disciplined in my twenties, but I un…

Just found about your blog. Great job and you are a great inspiration. This is a personal question and I hope you don't mind. Do you have kids? How do you manage risk, especially financial risk of startup?

No, I don't have any kids. I think it would be much harder to follow the path I did if I'd had children to support.

I've been thinking about risk a lot in the past year. I used to feel like I had this safety net of getting a job in big tech again if the founder thing didn't work out. When all the layoffs and hiring freezes began, I realized that my safety net may have disappeared.

It's scary to lose the safety net, but at the same time, I felt grateful that I've had the last six years to practice earning money without an employer. If I had been laid off, I'd be in a terrible position of competing against thousands of other recently laid off employees who are all desperate for work. If TinyPilot were to fold, I don't think I'm guaranteed another successful business, but I feel like I'm more likely to build a profitable business than to get a job as a developer in a poor tech economy.

Re: My sixth year as a bootstrapped founder

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Michael, You are an inspiration. I have been following your journey since your post about quitting Google hit the HN front page. And what a wild ride it has been. You tried many projects ( https://mtlynch.io/projects/ ), and it took a while for you to find your winning idea. And I have read each of your retrospectives on TinyPilot ( https://mtlynch.io/retrospectives/ ) and know that it wasn't easy. Your journey shows…

Agreed. I read your original post during a time where I was starting up a solo company and it's great to see you've eventually seen success after all these years! The points you make about which problems seem interesting as an engineer and which ones lead to actual success resonate a lot. Congrats on TinyPilot!

Re: My sixth year as a bootstrapped founder

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I think people (and the founder) are focusing on yearly profits as their remuneration and comparing it to a salary... but the reality is you're creating a company that should be valued (and eventually sell) for 7-15X Earnings - and you really should be looking at that increase in value vs your increase in profits. In reality your net worth went up by over $1.5 million in the last year, in addition to earning 236k - t…

> …but the reality is you're creating a company that should be valued (and eventually sell) for 7-15X Earnings - and you really should be looking at that increase in value vs your increase in profits. Muslim here. I think this is completely immoral and I don’t want to ever participate in stock market if/when I found a company. I want my business to be valued with the actual value it provides to people (the amount the…

Uh? Islam says nothing about the stock market. Participating in businesses and having shares is completely halal, and encouraged actually. That's the good way of generating long term revenue, as opposed to lending or profiting from interests. The very first Muslims and the prophet himself PBUH were merchants and traders, and business owners.

Re: My sixth year as a bootstrapped founder

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So good to see some actual Startup News on here. I miss the old days of this site when things were more optimistic and less click-bait.

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I guess it depends on your PoV. For example, for iraqis the world is much better now than it was in 2009 or 2007, at the peak of "tech optimism" when they were getting bombed into oblivion. And vice versa

Re: My sixth year as a bootstrapped founder

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I think you two agree more than it seems. You are allowed to be sad about the world without helping it get better, which the parent never implied they were. They're just agreeing with you that things are bad, assuming they work in tech they're probably just as conflicted about it as you or I am, so the attack felt kinda out of left field and unrelated to the original debate, which is whether things are getting worse…

The OP is categorically wrong about some of their assessments: "with more and more wealth going to a smaller and smaller segment of the population while the impoverished fraction grows on the daily" Poverty around the world is being reduced on a massive scale. There are undeniable issues with wealth gaps, but the world population is still benefiting greatly from the imbalanced amount of downstream wealth coming to it…

Friend,

A) poverty can be reduced while inequality increases. And inequality is definitely increasing. And the assessment that inequality isn’t that big of a deal and that we should focus only on poverty is very from a “categorical” assertion, imo.

B) “the world isn’t getting worse because bad things have existed in the past” isn’t a very clear argument. I think the BBC says it best: “Nationalism has always been a feature across Europe's political spectrum but there has been a recent boom in voter support for right-wing and populist parties.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36130006

Re: My sixth year as a bootstrapped founder

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> You should write something about what you do too. I think most of what one needs to know is already out there. The key is being adaptable to the current environment and being aware of one’s value add (skill set, network, etc.). The problem with writing specifics about what I do is that it invites competitors and/or haters (e.g., review bombers or DDoSers). Some parts of my businesses have enough moat such that I do…

Idk, optimizing inefficient systems sounds a lot more interesting to me than working for the man, as you put it. Thanks for writing this out. It seems very difficult to get into. I'll reread this a couple times.

> Idk, optimizing inefficient systems sounds a lot more interesting to me

Yeah, I guess I’m being somewhat disingenuous. I like optimizing systems, but I’m aware that it’s not everyone’s cup of tea.

You learn that very quickly at cocktail parties when people ask you what you do, ask for more than the headline answer, and then have their eyes glaze over when you get into the details.

> than working for the man, as you put it.

As a nerd/geek, and I fall into that category, working in a good skunk works type of place is pretty damn fun. It usually doesn’t pay well compared to most tech jobs, it’s often not that prestigious, but damn… it can sometimes tickle the brain like no other.

One potentially bad part of it is that most skunk works are funded in some way by the DoD, so some folks may object to that.

> Thanks for writing this out.

My pleasure.

> It seems very difficult to get into.

Hmm… my first instinct is to say that it’s not, but I might be short-selling my skills, network, and (frankly) privilege if I say that.

I think it’s open to far larger group than is actively trying to participate in it.

I think the main keys are:

- Understand fundamentals of business. I have been around this my whole life, so it came quite naturally to me. That said, it’s learnable, and a lot of things fall into the common sense or empathy categories.

- Be good at contracting and hiring/firing. There are a lot of bozos in the workforce, but there are also plenty of hidden gems.

- Be good at marketing/sales. Although it’s possible, I think it’s tough to hide behind a screen and also scale.

- Talk to your customers. PG beats this drum, and there’s a good reason. Note customers here are customers of any business you own as well as business you want to buy or entities you want to sell a business to.

- Start small, but do things that scale. People think you need a lot of money to start doing this. You don’t. If you do really well, you don’t have to ask around much before relatively large sums of money start finding you. I currently prefer to self-fund, but I’m thinking about transitioning to some sort of dividend growth entity — I think that they will be en vogue in certain circles over the next 10 years or so.

Re: My sixth year as a bootstrapped founder

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in what sense is it getting worse? While there may be local minima, I'd argue that its the best its ever been. News has always been pessimistic because negative emotions are easier to trigger to drive attention which pays the bills.

Whether the world as a whole is getting worse is debatable, but I think it's very clear that tech companies are

Yeah this seems like the important factor to me. The whole industry is doing layoffs, at least partially in an explicit attempt to combat the insane amount of privilege that we techies have cultivated since the .com boom. Hacker News is bound to get a little more vicious when people are being fired and told that it’s because someone else took their job
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