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Air Canada is responsible for chatbot's mistake: B.C. tribunal

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Re: Air Canada is responsible for chatbot's mistake: B.C. tribunal

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post #216

I just can't believe it took a lawsuit to get an airline to fork over a few hundred bucks on something that was obviously their fault.

And the issue here was purely procedural - we aren't talking about some damage they refuse to pay for, but merely some customer using the 'incorrect' process to claim something they are eligible for.

Re: Air Canada is responsible for chatbot's mistake: B.C. tribunal

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post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If they try to replace customer service agents with chatbots that lie, they need to be prepared to pay for the results. The result would be a de facto ban on AI chatbots, because nobody knows how to get them not to make stuff up. > I'm glad they're not allowed to use such unreliable, experimental technologies in their airplanes (737 Max notwithstanding). If you use unreliable technology in an airplane, it falls out…

> The result would be a de facto ban on AI chatbots No, the result would be a de facto ban on using them as a replacement for customer service agents. I support that for the time being since AI chatbots can't actually do that job yet because we don't know how to keep them from lying. They could put a disclaimer on it of course. To be sufficiently truthful, the disclaimer would need to be front and center and say some…

And if I saw that disclaimer, I wouldn't use the tool. What's the point if you can't trust what it says. Just let me talk to a human that can solve my issue.

Re: Air Canada is responsible for chatbot's mistake: B.C. tribunal

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post #208

Quite a sensible judgement, it seems. Pretty outrageous for the airline to try to claim the chatbot was its own legal entity.

The guy who bought the Chevy Tahoe for $1 [0] isn't going to get it, though. And that's also perfectly sensible.

But at some point we're going to see more cases in the grey area in between. What's the important difference?

In both cases I think the result would be the same if the chatbot had been a human. GM doesn't have to honour every promise a sales rep makes, even if that rep is nominally entitled to enter into contracts for the company - otherwise someone might agree to sell their whole stock to an accomplice for $1. The same applies to Air Canada, my buddy there can't "advise" me I get free flights for life and have that honoured.

So where is the line? Is it about good faith by the customer, or about what a reasonable person might think the company would offer them?

[0] https://twitter.com/ChrisJBakke/status/1736533308849443121

Re: Air Canada is responsible for chatbot's mistake: B.C. tribunal

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post #216

I just can't believe it took a lawsuit to get an airline to fork over a few hundred bucks on something that was obviously their fault.

Yeah; this should've been well within some second-tier customer service manager's discretionary refund budget. Instead they've got a precedent-setting ruling that makes the chatbot a huge liability.

I hope they do become huge liabilities as it's irresponsible. I'm as excited as the next guy about the future, but companies shoehorning terrible "AI" to replace support channels is infuriating. The -only- good interaction I've had with a chatbot was the one Amazon uses or used to use, where you could click from a few options, and it'd just issue you a refund.

Re: Air Canada is responsible for chatbot's mistake: B.C. tribunal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Its purpose is to try to answer common questions Yes. And therefore people should be able to assume that the answers are correct. Some people have heard of ChatGPT, and some of those have heard that they hallucinate, sure. But that's still not that many people. And they don't know that a question answering chat bot like this is the same technology!

> And therefore people should be able to assume that the answers are correct. Why is that a necessary requirement? Something can be useful without it being perfect.

If I am trying to interact with a company and they tell me to use their chatbot, I expect that chatbot to provide me with accurate answers 100% of the time (or to say it can't help me in the event that I ask a question that it's not meant to solve, and connect me to a representative who can).

If I have to double-triple check elsewhere to make sure that the chatbot is correct, then what's the point of using the chat bot in the first place? If you can't trust it 99% of the time, or if the company says "use this, but nothing it says should be taken as fact", then why would i waste my time?

Re: Air Canada is responsible for chatbot's mistake: B.C. tribunal

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I hate the whole attitude the industry has towards AI models, it just seems so sloppy compared to software of the past

It’s like “yeah we don’t really know what it’s going to do and it might screw up but whatever just launch it”

Really surprised me that so many companies are willing to jump into LLMs without any guarantee that the output won’t be something completely insane

Re: Air Canada is responsible for chatbot's mistake: B.C. tribunal

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post #216

I just can't believe it took a lawsuit to get an airline to fork over a few hundred bucks on something that was obviously their fault.

Yeah; this should've been well within some second-tier customer service manager's discretionary refund budget. Instead they've got a precedent-setting ruling that makes the chatbot a huge liability.

Recall when the Chevy dealership's chatbot agreed to sell a Chevy Tahoe for $1...

https://www.businessinsider.com/car-dealership-chevrolet-cha...

Re: Air Canada is responsible for chatbot's mistake: B.C. tribunal

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post #216

I just can't believe it took a lawsuit to get an airline to fork over a few hundred bucks on something that was obviously their fault.

They wanted to set a precedent they could use when they replace customer service with shit spewing bots.

Re: Air Canada is responsible for chatbot's mistake: B.C. tribunal

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post #216

I just can't believe it took a lawsuit to get an airline to fork over a few hundred bucks on something that was obviously their fault.

Yeah; this should've been well within some second-tier customer service manager's discretionary refund budget. Instead they've got a precedent-setting ruling that makes the chatbot a huge liability.

> chatbot a huge liability

This is an appropriate outcome, in my view. I'm as pro-AI as they come. But I also recognize that without a clear standard of service delivery, and in an industry inundated with M&A instead of competition, that a chatbot isn't a helpful thing but a labor cost reduction initiative.

Re: Air Canada is responsible for chatbot's mistake: B.C. tribunal

#230
post #216

I just can't believe it took a lawsuit to get an airline to fork over a few hundred bucks on something that was obviously their fault.

Yeah seems really dumb to let it get that far. I wonder if they tried to settle, but Mofatt/lawyer (I would guess it's either small claims or a pro bono thing?) refused, preferring the publicity?
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