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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by 082349872349872 »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #751
082349872349872 wrote: post #596

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you heard the metaphor of the chicken and the pig at breakfast time? I could probably stand in the Krasnaya Ploshchad and yell "Vladimir Zelenskiy Sucks!" without repercussion, but that wouldn't make it effective criticism.

Strategy is what gets results, not metaphors. Examples of effective criticism with government-toppling results can be seen in the Arab Spring movement.

How has the Arab Spring been working out?

Toppling governments doesn't do much good if no one manages to provide effective replacements running on new lines afterwards. See also Reconstruction in the US, or the CIS/CSTO/etc. in the former Soviet Union.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by nuker »

bvrmn wrote: post #249
isolli wrote: post #52

Sad times for Russia... Barred anti-war Russian presidential candidate [Boris Nadezhdin] fails in two legal challenges [0] [0] https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/barred-anti-war-russian...

Sad times began in 2012. Since then opposition has no a single chance to win elections.

Sad times began in 2002, when the last independent TV channel (TV-6), to where the team of previously shut down channel NTV, flocked, was also taken over and shut down. That was the end of free press.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV-6_(Russia)

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by hkpack »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #744
ivan_gammel wrote: post #486

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It was reasonable not to see Russia as enemy. It was well integrated into European trade and some political structures (PACE, NATO-Russia council etc) and there were even talks about visa-free travel between Russia and EU. What went wrong was the glacial speed of integration, letting the nationalist sentiment and disappointment in West grow. Post-WWII Europe was pacified through a political union between Germany and…

Fundamentally what actually went the worst was the absolutely awful way that capitalist market systems were, on the whole, rolled out in the eastern bloc in the 90s. Poverty, corruption, and massive wealth disparity were the results. And into the chaos, strongmen came in, and promised and gave some stability.

Late USSR was not better at all in these countries.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by roenxi »

lawlessone wrote: post #721
ethanbond wrote: post #655

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The strategy of economic integration as a way to reduce military tension has worked very well in many other instances. It doesn't seem like an obviously insane thing to have tried.

>The strategy of economic integration as a way to reduce military tension has worked very well in many other instances. It mostly worked within in the EU because you needed meaningfully adopt certain standards to join the market. Russia didn't have to do any of that and by the time more people started to understand the problem developing they already had leverage.

It mostly worked because in recent history the Germans were an occupied state [0] followed up by a very polite situation that wasn't an occupation but looked a lot like one by the numbers [1]. The US has a number of troops in Germany comparable to the German army. Note from the article that up to 2006 the US had more troops in Germany than the Germans did.

Economic integration wasn't what kept the peace, it was probably the military integration.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied-occupied_Germany

[1] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/10/infographic-us-mili...

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by verteu »

pastacacioepepe wrote: post #765
poundofshrimp wrote: post #757

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Neither of the links works

The article link was cut somehow, here it is: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/03/01/we-need-h... The picture link expired, here's a new one: https://ibb.co/mTNsF7n

The link was abbreviated when you copy-pasted your previous downvoted comment verbatim.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by rufus_foreman »

Mistletoe wrote: post #233
merpkz wrote: post #41

So in latest news, last opposition figure in Russia dies together with any hope for regime change while Russia's war effort is starting to get some traction with it's overwhelming man power and Ukraine is forced to cede more territory all while west is busy either with it's in-fighting or comparing each others superior GDP and how Russia will crumble just any day now (TM). Man, are we in for a ride next decade in Eur…

Putin has cancer and Father Time is undefeated. There’s reason for much optimism in the world.

In the early 2000's it was rumored in the west that Putin's health was poor.

In 2008 the Pentagon authored a study that claimed that Putin had Asperger’s disease.

In 2010 there were more rumors about his bad health after being photographed with a black eye.

In 2012, more rumors after he postponed a visit to Japan.

In 2014 "sources" reported that he had cancer of the spinal cord. Other "sources" denied that report, and instead said it was pancreatic cancer.

In 2018, more health rumors, more "sources" saying that Putin was about to resign for health reasons.

In 2020, he still reportedly had cancer, along with Parkinson's disease. And also, leprosy.

Clearly a very, very sick man.

I hope I never get cancer. But if I ever do, I hope I have access to the very obviously incredible Russian medical facilities.

More seriously, you do realize this is the same propaganda that is rolled out every time there is a leader the US does not like? Putin may actually be ill, but you can't determine that from reading US news reports. They tell lies over and over and over.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by nabakin »

eveningsteps wrote: post #681
obscurette wrote: post #657

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Navalny was a russian chovinist, but it's nothing special for russians unfortunately. I don't know what video you mean, but I guess it's from times when Navalny ran campaign for major of Moscow – it was quite popular position back then. But his positions softened a lot since then.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q8ILxqIEEMg

This is promoting gun rights. Seems like he's comparing burglars to insects. What part is racist toward Central Asians?

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by nabakin »

alumnisfu wrote: post #641
avmich wrote: post #624

I'm trying to compare Alexei with some other known political figures. For Americans, I think Alexei is roughly comparable to MLK. USA was able to gradually turn from some positions to different others. For Russia it seems the current situation is still the fall to the deeper chasms of self-destruction.

> I'm trying to compare Alexei with some other known political figures. For Americans, I think Alexei is roughly comparable to MLK. If you are comparing him to MLK, you've not seen Navalny's videos on Central Asians I guess (in case you need a summary: compares them to insects that need to be exterminated then kills one with a handgun).

He compares burglars to insects, not Asians. Do you have other evidence?

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by type0 »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #491
piltdownman wrote: post #467

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There's not so much infighting as there is a fascist fox in the hen-house (Orban). They still managed to get the €54bn aid package through this month - and that's just a Marshal Plan to set the country up for future EU membership. Germany alone has pledged €8bn in bilateral military aid for Ukraine this year, and there's a further €5bn coming from the coalition. https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-war-eu-aid-fu…

Vladimir Kara-Murza is a minor figure, one of the many others in jail, who are decent people but irrelevant politicians. 99% of Russians haven’t heard of him. At this moment the only active and relevant politician is Nadezhdin.

> only active and relevant politician is Nadezhdin.

and how is he still relevant?

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by Ray20 »

deely3 wrote: post #498
chaostheory wrote: post #78

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Not sure I remember the source, but even Navalny was not against Russia’s war to get its buffer zones back. Of course, if Navalny was able to magically overthrow Putin, it’d be harder for a democratic regime to fight an offensive war because no one wants to personally participate in a war.

Not sure about downvotes, but Navalny was definitely against bringing back Crimea to Ukraine. In his own words: "Crimea is not a pastry to pass from hands to hands". After it becomes clear that "3 day" invasion of Ukraine is unsuccessful he changed his mind. But only after it, not before.

>Navalny was definitely against bringing back Crimea to Ukraine. This is a classic liberal position. You just can't give away a piece of the country against the will of people who lives there, no matter international law or what else.

>After it becomes clear that "3 day" invasion of Ukraine is unsuccessful As far as I am aware of, Navalny always consistently opposed agression against Ukraine, from the very start, including the annexation of Crimea

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