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Alexei Navalny has died

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Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by ivan_gammel »

manmal wrote: post #631
ivan_gammel wrote: post #486

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It was reasonable not to see Russia as enemy. It was well integrated into European trade and some political structures (PACE, NATO-Russia council etc) and there were even talks about visa-free travel between Russia and EU. What went wrong was the glacial speed of integration, letting the nationalist sentiment and disappointment in West grow. Post-WWII Europe was pacified through a political union between Germany and…

Did you mean someone else than Orban?

Name another enfant terrible in EU who undermines democracy but does not go too far to be expelled.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by genman »

cglace wrote: post #189
tokai wrote: post #177

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That is a lie. EU and European countries has given more than double that of the US.

If you go by military support of Ukraine, this is not true. It's only valid if you include things like humanitarian support. If the US passes its support bill, it would be on equal footing with all aid to Ukraine from Europe, including humanitarian support.

Let's get the facts straight

https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-s...

Military help from EU countries is higher than US, humanitarian help is multiple times higher and so is financial help.

If US passes the bill then it will somewhat catch up. IF it passes. Perhaps it decides to degrade its international standing even more instead, who knows.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by willsmith72 »

merpkz wrote: post #41

So in latest news, last opposition figure in Russia dies together with any hope for regime change while Russia's war effort is starting to get some traction with it's overwhelming man power and Ukraine is forced to cede more territory all while west is busy either with it's in-fighting or comparing each others superior GDP and how Russia will crumble just any day now (TM). Man, are we in for a ride next decade in Eur…

Just wait for the US election, it's gonna be a fun year

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by IncreasePosts »

chinathrow wrote: post #153
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #106

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Russia really is not to be feared. The Ukraine war is a tragedy and I hope it ends soon. But they have no economical & military power to really do any harm the Europe & the US. Putin makes a lot of noise but really can't even win a few km's in Ukraine. But the real threat is further east. China is slowly building it's empire, and it's a scary one. Taking over parts of Africa. Migrating it's people. Integrating it's t…

You underestimate how Russia is playing the long game while everyone else thinks in election cycles.

I guess it is easy to avoid the election cycles when you constantly put opponents in jail, or kill them. Why didn't we think of that?

And for all the time Putin has to lay out his master plan..what did it buy him? A river of Russian blood in Ukraine?

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by andy-x »

ethanbond wrote: post #655
stcroixx wrote: post #474

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Europe deciding to depend on Russia for their energy and not focusing on defense spending is the unbelievable part to me, but they've been doing this for quite some time now. They walked right into it. Russia is doing what they've always done and always will do.

The strategy of economic integration as a way to reduce military tension has worked very well in many other instances. It doesn't seem like an obviously insane thing to have tried.

You probably mean "to prevent military tension"? When tension already becomes war, it's sort of pointless to continue economic integration in the hope that it can stop war.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by illiac786 »

philwelch wrote: post #698
ethanbond wrote: post #655

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The strategy of economic integration as a way to reduce military tension has worked very well in many other instances. It doesn't seem like an obviously insane thing to have tried.

The strategy seems to have gone 0-2 with Russia and China; can you name an instance in which it succeeded?

EU?

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by navane »

stcroixx wrote: post #474
merpkz wrote: post #41

So in latest news, last opposition figure in Russia dies together with any hope for regime change while Russia's war effort is starting to get some traction with it's overwhelming man power and Ukraine is forced to cede more territory all while west is busy either with it's in-fighting or comparing each others superior GDP and how Russia will crumble just any day now (TM). Man, are we in for a ride next decade in Eur…

Europe deciding to depend on Russia for their energy and not focusing on defense spending is the unbelievable part to me, but they've been doing this for quite some time now. They walked right into it. Russia is doing what they've always done and always will do.

I get not believing the cry wolf. But not when the wolves are literally tearing people up in front of you.

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by andrepd »

riehwvfbk wrote: post #368
actionfromafar wrote: post #181

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What deeper integration would that have been? Geniunely curious, I don't see what could have worked once the oligarchs were minted. They only care about selling simple low-effort stuff, easily corrupted, like oil.

It might be difficult to believe, but in the 1990s the people of Russia truly wanted to be in Europe (kind of like Ukrainians do now). That sentiment is now gone, and it's not (just) due to propaganda. The common people believe that Ukrainians will just be used to achieve some goal in the US vs. Russia power struggle and then abandoned. https://www.politico.eu/article/how-the-us-broke-kosovo-and-...

Doesn't help, the whole history of the US (and USSR) using regional proxy conflicts to advance their purposes, and then discarding their "allies".

Re: Alexei Navalny has died

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Post by phobotics »

philwelch wrote: post #698
ethanbond wrote: post #655

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The strategy of economic integration as a way to reduce military tension has worked very well in many other instances. It doesn't seem like an obviously insane thing to have tried.

The strategy seems to have gone 0-2 with Russia and China; can you name an instance in which it succeeded?

Most of Europe?
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