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Re: Guix on the Framework 13 AMD

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Post by gigatexal »

gigatexal wrote: post #83
slgeorge wrote: post #60

For those that don't know Guix can be used as: * a package manager on top of an existing Linux distribution (think apt or rpm) * a development environment (think Python venv but for any language) * a VM system (like Docker but declarative) * a Linux distribution (similar to Nix) It's a small and friendly community - we recently started an English-speaking online user-group: https://www.meetup.com/guix-london/ Next me…

With nix i can install free, non-free apps -- the amount of nix-able stuff is a ton. Is Guix only set to install FSF blessed proprietary free stuff?

Thanks for addressing my ignorance.

Re: Guix on the Framework 13 AMD

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Post by dpkirchner »

mahkoh wrote: post #34
llm_trw wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> E.g. it could alternate between 1 black and 1 white pixel in the physical buffer or it could sometimes make two adjacent pixels the same color. This is a very odd definition of "no blur".

It works in chromium without anything I'd call blur. Here it is at 175% scale: https://i.ibb.co/DtKm69d/image.png

IMO, it looks like exactly what you'd see if you took pixel perfect rendered text and applied a small-radius Gaussian blur to it. It might look different on your screen, however (monitor settings can affect rendering quite a lot).

Re: Guix on the Framework 13 AMD

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Post by Phrodo_00 »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #52
enriquto wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the scaling change the kerning of the letters? This looks horrific! (and, yes, blurry, or "antialiased" as is custom to name it).

This looks fantastic to me. Also antialiasing is not the same as 'blurry', it is factional values in pixels that have fractional coverage.

> factional values in pixels that have fractional coverage.

This is also the definition of blurriness.

I think the screenshot looks fine (other than the weird kerning), but I can see how one person's antialiasing could be other people's blurriness

Re: Guix on the Framework 13 AMD

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Post by pxc »

jckahn wrote: post #5

My kingdom for Wayland fractional scaling that doesn’t make my apps blurry. It makes the feature a complete nonstarter for me.

If you've got a whole kingdom on offer, you can bite the bullet and buy monitors that all have the same DPI. It's painful, but it's what I've done.

Re: Guix on the Framework 13 AMD

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Post by stebalien »

mmcnl wrote: post #129

> HOWEVER, and I hope this is a transient situation, there is a problem: in GNOME, applications that aren’t native Wayland apps don’t scale nicely. Transient situations are almost permanent in Linux land. This has been a problem for a long time and I don't see a solution coming in the near future. But maybe I'm wrong (I hope so!).

This is an issue with any software that tries to maintain backwards compatibility, not Linux. Windows has:

- Many years worth of different control panels.

- Little consistency with respect to toolkits in general.

- Fractional scaling issues in applications using older toolkits (e.g., open up the policy editor and notice the blurry fonts). Microsoft is actually giving up here and has been experimenting with ML-based scaling for old applications (an approach I expect we'll eventually see in Linux as well).

Apple handles this by breaking compatibility every so often, forcing old software out of the picture.

Re: Guix on the Framework 13 AMD

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Post by Havoc »

Gormo wrote: post #124
Havoc wrote: post #42

>then it is kosher, otherwise it is haram Big fan of mixing & matching not just on hardware I see

That mixed metaphor popped out to me as well. What if what you're doing is analogous to a glass of wine? It's kosher and haram at the same time! Kosher is to treif as halal is to haram.

TIL. Didn’t know trief

Re: Guix on the Framework 13 AMD

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Post by alwayslikethis »

mmcnl wrote: post #129

> HOWEVER, and I hope this is a transient situation, there is a problem: in GNOME, applications that aren’t native Wayland apps don’t scale nicely. Transient situations are almost permanent in Linux land. This has been a problem for a long time and I don't see a solution coming in the near future. But maybe I'm wrong (I hope so!).

The only part that's not going to be available for a while is fractional scaling in GTK and old Qt5 software needs to update to Qt6. Everything else is rather quickly falling in place. GNOME in its stereotypical fashion doesn't seem to want to support fractional scaling and doesn't want to provide QoL features like not making XWayland apps blurry, but that's not a problem with Wayland per se.

Re: Guix on the Framework 13 AMD

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Post by Guthur »

Filligree wrote: post #73
nonrandomstring wrote: post #33

Had a VM GUIX "system" (really I think its more of package manager overlay) for a while (18 months ago) but encountered some problems. The main feature AFAICS is that it maintains the state of the system and packages all very cleanly via it's own nix build system which is like a snapshot of everything. The sell is that it's very recoverable - in theory you can rebuild from a single file. That's very appealing for VMs…

> Unfortunately I needed a couple of things that were available only through apt. NixOS has approximately the same advantages, but a many times larger package repository. Take a look at that, it might already have your packages.

But it didn't have lisp :)

Re: Guix on the Framework 13 AMD

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Post by alwayslikethis »

stebalien wrote: post #135
mmcnl wrote: post #129

> HOWEVER, and I hope this is a transient situation, there is a problem: in GNOME, applications that aren’t native Wayland apps don’t scale nicely. Transient situations are almost permanent in Linux land. This has been a problem for a long time and I don't see a solution coming in the near future. But maybe I'm wrong (I hope so!).

This is an issue with any software that tries to maintain backwards compatibility, not Linux. Windows has: - Many years worth of different control panels. - Little consistency with respect to toolkits in general. - Fractional scaling issues in applications using older toolkits (e.g., open up the policy editor and notice the blurry fonts). Microsoft is actually giving up here and has been experimenting with ML-based s…

I notice that even the blurry scaling on Windows looks better than what we have on Linux. It seems that they have some special algorithm for that. Anyone who knows how it is implemented can chime in here?

Re: Guix on the Framework 13 AMD

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Post by k8svet »

jckahn wrote: post #5

My kingdom for Wayland fractional scaling that doesn’t make my apps blurry. It makes the feature a complete nonstarter for me.

I've never ever noticed blurriness from downscaled integer up-scaled Wayland apps.

Blurriness is almost always due to use of xwayland.

These are completely unrelated technically.

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