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World model on million-length video and language with RingAttention

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Re: World model on million-length video and language with RingAttention

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nickpsecurity wrote: post #58
candiodari wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Humans produce new works based on their experiences, which is a nice way of saying: "based on others' works they have seen". This is considered original work unless it's too blatantly copied, despite those humans never having a license to create derivative works. In other words it's legally treated as if no other works contributed to it (again, unless it's too blatantly copied) Note: this is law working like this. No…

Yes, humans produce new works based on their experiences. Their legally-permitted experiences. If they committed crimes and their works reveal it, they can be punished for those crimes. AI’s should not be treated any better than human beings in humans’ legal system. Far as infringement, I’m not sure if you’re talking about copyright law in your comment or how you would prefer legal systems to be designed. You didn’t…

So... what if my "c++ primer" copy is from z-library... does that disqualify all my c++ program?

Re: World model on million-length video and language with RingAttention

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jewelry wrote: post #61
nickpsecurity wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, humans produce new works based on their experiences. Their legally-permitted experiences. If they committed crimes and their works reveal it, they can be punished for those crimes. AI’s should not be treated any better than human beings in humans’ legal system. Far as infringement, I’m not sure if you’re talking about copyright law in your comment or how you would prefer legal systems to be designed. You didn’t…

So... what if my "c++ primer" copy is from z-library... does that disqualify all my c++ program?

You have to read the terms like I did for the various sites they scraped. I did a quick skim of theirs:

https://z-lib.io/pages/terms-of-use

Many of these sites have terms that give the site owner a license to do the activities that would happen when training AI’s. In theory, some terms look like they could even bundle the data for AI training or run that phase themselves. It’s actually a good, market/public-benefit opportunity I hope they act on, esp HN and Arxiv.

I didnt read enough to see if any random person using the site had a license to do anything they want with any copyrighted content on the site vs just reading it. It did have a lot to say about copyright, though. Two quotes were interesting:

“z-lib.io the site doesn't provide any piracy copyright infigrment contents and you shouldn't use site for illegal copyright piracy.”

“Company respects the intellectual property of others and asks that users of our Site do the same. In connection with our Site, we have adopted and implemented a policy respecting copyright law that provides for the removal of any infringing materials and for the termination of users of our online Site who are repeated infringers of intellectual property rights, including copyrights.”

(Note: One of those quotes is also on the About Us page.)

They respect copyright, claim to not violate it, ban violating it, and will take down violators and their uploads. It would seem z library has a stronger stance on copyright protection than the AI community.

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