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Findaway's new terms of service are unacceptable

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Re: Findaway's new terms of service are unacceptable

#63

I wonder how much of the highlighted clause you hereby grant Spotify a non-exclusive, transferable, sublicensable, royalty-free, fully paid, irrevocable, worldwide license to reproduce, make available, perform and display, translate, modify, create derivative works from (such as transcripts of User Content), distribute, and otherwise use any such User Content through any medium is actually necessary for the service t…

Here's the Facebook equivalent:

Permission to use content that you create and share: Some content that you share or upload, such as photos or videos, may be protected by intellectual property laws. You retain ownership of the intellectual property rights (things such as copyright or trademarks) in any such content that you create and share on Facebook and other Meta Company Products that you use. Nothing in these Terms takes away the rights you have to your own content. You are free to share your content with anyone else, wherever you want. However, to provide our services we need you to give us some legal permissions (known as a "License") to use this content. *This is solely for the purposes of providing and improving our Products and services as described in Section 1 above.* Specifically, when you share, post or upload content that is covered by intellectual property rights on or in connection with our Products, you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free and worldwide licence to host, use, distribute, modify, run, copy, publicly perform or display, translate and create derivative works of your content *(consistent with your privacy and application settings)*.

https://m.facebook.com/legal/terms

Re: Findaway's new terms of service are unacceptable

#64
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is this even legal anywhere ? I attribute it to: - our hilariously primitive and archaic "implementation" of "democracy" (which most formal/legal matters are invisibly downstream of) - our hilariously primitive and non-self-aware culture(s), whose individual members tend to be more inclined to insist on maintaining the very status quo that they constantly complain about (and from which mostly everything else is…

That’s a hilariously primitive and archaic auto-ironic comment.

I encourage you to expand on this to the ultimate of your ability.....I'm talking really let me have it, please.

I look forward to being impressed, and having a new, superior standard to work towards.

Re: Findaway's new terms of service are unacceptable

#65
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it a love story? Is it a horror story? We will never know!

I mean, if you really want to know... here's an Amazon review: https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R2W2GI082RE884/re... Both the review and the sample of the book available through the book's marketplace listing leave me unable to describe either of them with any single word other than "inspired".

As the author, I cannot recommend reading this tale. I must say, however, that the reviews are an art form in and of themselves and will reward ten minutes of your time.

That review you cited was clearly written by someone who felt personally attacked. I have theories.

Re: Findaway's new terms of service are unacceptable

#66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your alternative? I enthusiastically do not care for podcasts, news and social "features". Recommendation for a just (all the) music, no shenanigans type of service?

I currently use Tidal, though their player is not as polished as Spotify's is unfortunately. Still very usable, just a few bugs here and there.

Tidal is a pretty good general music app as a Spotify alternative and reportedly pays artists a lot more for plays.

I also fairly liked Qobuz, a French service, but ended up dropping it because it didn't have the kind of "just play something I like" feature that Spotify and Tidal have made pretty standard now (daily mixes, etc). I hate the laziness of it but I've gotten used to it; there are days/times I just want to listen to music of a certain mood while I'm working on something and don't want to think hard about what to put on.

Re: Findaway's new terms of service are unacceptable

#67
post #58

If Spotify has gone bad, we can stop using Spotify, and tell others why. In a regulation-averse environment, about the only thing I know that the public can do about abusive corporations is to act on principle with individual behavior, in large numbers.

Spotify has gone bad a long time ago. Hell, Spotify was born bad. This is about a new way that Spotify is deciding to be bad.

Re: Findaway's new terms of service are unacceptable

#68

Spotify has been on a path of self destruction for quite some time...at least 6 months minimum.... so this is not a surprise...this the saga of the swan song they started when they lost the plot and chased after shortcuts instead of value.

I doubt that. Spotify has always been an immoral company and gets worse and worse over time because it's making them money. They're not going to self-destruct when they're the default app for streaming Joe Rogan's bad takes directly into the average person's head.

Re: Findaway's new terms of service are unacceptable

#69
post #45

The clause quoted in TFA is broad, but fairly standard (businesses need it to provide their services). The moral rights stuff is interesting, though, and I'm also not sure what "[n]othing in these Terms prohibits any use of User Content by Spotify that may be taken without a license." means.

This clause is not fairly standard. This clause is similar to clauses in other services but is considerably worse.

Re: Findaway's new terms of service are unacceptable

#70
post #63

I wonder how much of the highlighted clause you hereby grant Spotify a non-exclusive, transferable, sublicensable, royalty-free, fully paid, irrevocable, worldwide license to reproduce, make available, perform and display, translate, modify, create derivative works from (such as transcripts of User Content), distribute, and otherwise use any such User Content through any medium is actually necessary for the service t…

Here's the Facebook equivalent: Permission to use content that you create and share: Some content that you share or upload, such as photos or videos, may be protected by intellectual property laws. You retain ownership of the intellectual property rights (things such as copyright or trademarks) in any such content that you create and share on Facebook and other Meta Company Products that you use. Nothing in these Ter…

This is considerably more narrow than the Spotify ToS.
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