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Findaway's new terms of service are unacceptable

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Re: Findaway's new terms of service are unacceptable

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Post by wolverine876 »

For any such agreement, look for a clause that says they can change it at any time. If the other party can change the contract at will, you have no contract. Unforunately, most agreements I see with commercial vendors, especially privacy agreements, say that.

Then look for clauses that say, 'we can do A or B or C specific things, or anything we deem necessary in order to ...'. Again, there's no effective contract.

IANAL, so maybe there are some benefits. I wonder how much you can argue that what they do with the data you provided on Jan 14, 2022, depends on the agreement in force then.

Re: Findaway's new terms of service are unacceptable

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Post by wolverine876 »

londons_explore wrote: post #19
SebFender wrote: post #3

"Accordingly, you hereby grant Spotify" what ever they want. Crazy.

In many countries, including the USA, if a business writes a contract containing something unreasonable, and the consumer signs it without reading or understanding it, then that clause (or maybe the whole contract) is invalid.

I don't think that's true in the US. It would help if we had something authoritative, or an attorney in this field.

Re: Findaway's new terms of service are unacceptable

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Post by criddell »

jijijijij wrote: post #25
torlok wrote: post #14

You definitively should do that, but I doubt that it will prevent your data from being trained on. It sucks, but that's the reality now. I stopped using Spotify a while ago. Never using it again for sure.

What's your alternative? I enthusiastically do not care for podcasts, news and social "features". Recommendation for a just (all the) music, no shenanigans type of service?

I switched from Spotify to Apple Music last year and as far as I know, there are no podcasts, news, or social features. If those things exist, they aren't in your face like Spotify. The library seems to be similar.

Actually, because you can play radio stations and some radio stations play news, news is on there.

Re: Findaway's new terms of service are unacceptable

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Post by [deleted] »

londons_explore wrote: post #19
SebFender wrote: post #3

"Accordingly, you hereby grant Spotify" what ever they want. Crazy.

In many countries, including the USA, if a business writes a contract containing something unreasonable, and the consumer signs it without reading or understanding it, then that clause (or maybe the whole contract) is invalid.

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Re: Findaway's new terms of service are unacceptable

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Post by avgcorrection »

macksd wrote: post #8

I was just seeing something about this on social media - @laura_horowitz_narrator was talking about it and one of the commenters claim they have backpedaled and apologized for "confusing language" but I don't find the language confusing at all. If you're a lawyer and you're modifying an existing document to state these terms, what else could you possibly be meaning?

We tried to rip you off but you called us out. We’re sorry about that.

Re: Findaway's new terms of service are unacceptable

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Post by neilv »

If Spotify has gone bad, we can stop using Spotify, and tell others why.

In a regulation-averse environment, about the only thing I know that the public can do about abusive corporations is to act on principle with individual behavior, in large numbers.

Re: Findaway's new terms of service are unacceptable

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Post by ryandrake »

1f60c wrote: post #45

The clause quoted in TFA is broad, but fairly standard (businesses need it to provide their services). The moral rights stuff is interesting, though, and I'm also not sure what "[n]othing in these Terms prohibits any use of User Content by Spotify that may be taken without a license." means.

In case anyone, like me, has never heard the legal jargon "Moral Rights" before, here you go[1].

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_rights

Re: Findaway's new terms of service are unacceptable

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Post by striking »

thimp wrote: post #32
neuronexmachina wrote: post #9

This is tangential, but the author's audiobook "Savaged by Systemd" sounds hilariously bizarre: > The classic work of Linux satirical erotica, complete and unabridged, now a Tilted Windmill Press exclusive! > ... The latest trend Terry refuses? One adopted almost everywhere? Systemd, the replacement init. > So Systemd comes for Terry. > Wearing skin-tight leather pants.

Is it a love story? Is it a horror story? We will never know!

I mean, if you really want to know... here's an Amazon review: https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R2W2GI082RE884/re...

Both the review and the sample of the book available through the book's marketplace listing leave me unable to describe either of them with any single word other than "inspired".

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